That is a pretty stupid comment but I’m accustomed to reading stupid comments from you.
I don't comment much so I do not see where you are coming from and this was a rare one where I was likely off the mark with Sumner. I do believe that Flatt would have been a 1:45 guy last year had he graduated in December and headed to Ole Miss while Vanhoy and the 2022 distance squad was there. But he was chasing the record and it is a formidable one. As a previous poster opined, Granville went downhill from there, but apparently with a lot of extenuating circumstances from his previous training/family situation in high school.
granville and flatt aren’t comparable in the slightest. granvilles record is a great example of the fact that it’s easy to make giant improvements in the 800 that you never touch again. that 1:46.45 was the only time he ever ran under 1:47 in his entire career. he also pushed himself to his utmost limit in high school. truth is, he never improved after HS because there was nothing left to improve. he also lost interest for the sport, which probably didn’t help either.
i also just wanted to point out that flatt had an extraordinary amount of consistency in the 800. the number of times he ran 1:47 low or in the 1:46s - ESPECIALLY at USAs, where he ran pro times in pro races in pro rounds, is genuinely extraordinary. you could expect a time that before 2022, only 2 other high schoolers had ever run every single time he stepped on the track. that is incredible, and that alone demonstrates to me that he has a future in this sport and a vast amount of potential. this year was obviously a scratch but i feel he will finish his college career as a consistent 1:44 man.
I don't comment much so I do not see where you are coming from and this was a rare one where I was likely off the mark with Sumner. I do believe that Flatt would have been a 1:45 guy last year had he graduated in December and headed to Ole Miss while Vanhoy and the 2022 distance squad was there. But he was chasing the record and it is a formidable one. As a previous poster opined, Granville went downhill from there, but apparently with a lot of extenuating circumstances from his previous training/family situation in high school.
granville and flatt aren’t comparable in the slightest. granvilles record is a great example of the fact that it’s easy to make giant improvements in the 800 that you never touch again. that 1:46.45 was the only time he ever ran under 1:47 in his entire career. he also pushed himself to his utmost limit in high school. truth is, he never improved after HS because there was nothing left to improve. he also lost interest for the sport, which probably didn’t help either.
i also just wanted to point out that flatt had an extraordinary amount of consistency in the 800. the number of times he ran 1:47 low or in the 1:46s - ESPECIALLY at USAs, where he ran pro times in pro races in pro rounds, is genuinely extraordinary. you could expect a time that before 2022, only 2 other high schoolers had ever run every single time he stepped on the track. that is incredible, and that alone demonstrates to me that he has a future in this sport and a vast amount of potential. this year was obviously a scratch but i feel he will finish his college career as a consistent 1:44 man.
I believe Granville was unique and it was his father that trained him in HS. His father was great for him but he was in no way prepared for college and his coaches did not succeed progressing him. ...His father's methods (only running on the grass next to the track during training for instance!) worked well for him and if he continued to train him, he probably would've continued getting faster.
1. He came back too quickly from his injury indoors and is suffering the consequnces. Hopefully this doesnt lead to long term issues.
2.The new training is much more endurance focused than high school and his body needs time to adapt. This could pay off in the long run.
Those are the most probable scenarios but a third scenario is that he is already close to his peak. He may improve slightly but not as significantly as many think.
As others have pointed out, he did look a lot older and more physically mature compared to his peers in high school. I've watched race videos of him in high school and he always looked like a man competing against boys. While that is great for dominating in high school, it does not leave a lot of room for growth. Guys usually mature later than girls and if you look at most of the top male runners throughout history, they looked very young when in high school and were not physically mature.
I am not hating on Flatt. I am merely stating a fact on how the growth curve of most males.
granville and flatt aren’t comparable in the slightest. granvilles record is a great example of the fact that it’s easy to make giant improvements in the 800 that you never touch again. that 1:46.45 was the only time he ever ran under 1:47 in his entire career. he also pushed himself to his utmost limit in high school. truth is, he never improved after HS because there was nothing left to improve. he also lost interest for the sport, which probably didn’t help either.
i also just wanted to point out that flatt had an extraordinary amount of consistency in the 800. the number of times he ran 1:47 low or in the 1:46s - ESPECIALLY at USAs, where he ran pro times in pro races in pro rounds, is genuinely extraordinary. you could expect a time that before 2022, only 2 other high schoolers had ever run every single time he stepped on the track. that is incredible, and that alone demonstrates to me that he has a future in this sport and a vast amount of potential. this year was obviously a scratch but i feel he will finish his college career as a consistent 1:44 man.
I believe Granville was unique and it was his father that trained him in HS. His father was great for him but he was in no way prepared for college and his coaches did not succeed progressing him. ...His father's methods (only running on the grass next to the track during training for instance!) worked well for him and if he continued to train him, he probably would've continued getting faster.
So the secret to Granville's success was running on grass? What? lol
Most 800 runners run at a high level for about 2-3 years. Some start that window in high school, some start after.
1. He came back too quickly from his injury indoors and is suffering the consequnces. Hopefully this doesnt lead to long term issues.
2.The new training is much more endurance focused than high school and his body needs time to adapt. This could pay off in the long run.
Those are the most probable scenarios but a third scenario is that he is already close to his peak. He may improve slightly but not as significantly as many think.
As others have pointed out, he did look a lot older and more physically mature compared to his peers in high school. I've watched race videos of him in high school and he always looked like a man competing against boys. While that is great for dominating in high school, it does not leave a lot of room for growth. Guys usually mature later than girls and if you look at most of the top male runners throughout history, they looked very young when in high school and were not physically mature.
I am not hating on Flatt. I am merely stating a fact on how the growth curve of most males.
People don't just go from 1:46 to 1:50 because they hit a plateau. He got an injury and lost fitness, and maybe perhaps the style of training at Ole Miss isn't what his body needs to adapt. This isn't that complicated.
Those are the most probable scenarios but a third scenario is that he is already close to his peak. He may improve slightly but not as significantly as many think.
As others have pointed out, he did look a lot older and more physically mature compared to his peers in high school. I've watched race videos of him in high school and he always looked like a man competing against boys. While that is great for dominating in high school, it does not leave a lot of room for growth. Guys usually mature later than girls and if you look at most of the top male runners throughout history, they looked very young when in high school and were not physically mature.
I am not hating on Flatt. I am merely stating a fact on how the growth curve of most males.
People don't just go from 1:46 to 1:50 because they hit a plateau. He got an injury and lost fitness, and maybe perhaps the style of training at Ole Miss isn't what his body needs to adapt. This isn't that complicated.
Definitely affected by injury. Looking at photos though, he has definitely added 10+ pounds and it doesn't appear to be muscle but freshman fluff pounds. ...That will affect both injury recovery and reinjury potential but even moreso, kills 800 speed.
If he gets serious about diet and his fitness and perhaps transfers to Texas A&M he can still go 1:45xx in college
People don't just go from 1:46 to 1:50 because they hit a plateau. He got an injury and lost fitness, and maybe perhaps the style of training at Ole Miss isn't what his body needs to adapt. This isn't that complicated.
Definitely affected by injury. Looking at photos though, he has definitely added 10+ pounds and it doesn't appear to be muscle but freshman fluff pounds. ...That will affect both injury recovery and reinjury potential but even moreso, kills 800 speed.
If he gets serious about diet and his fitness and perhaps transfers to Texas A&M he can still go 1:45xx in college
Definitely affected by injury. Looking at photos though, he has definitely added 10+ pounds and it doesn't appear to be muscle but freshman fluff pounds. ...That will affect both injury recovery and reinjury potential but even moreso, kills 800 speed.
If he gets serious about diet and his fitness and perhaps transfers to Texas A&M he can still go 1:45xx in college
Is Cade Fatt ready to go 1:45 this year?
I predict not. I think he'll run around what he ran in high school but not quite at 1:45 yet, maybe after a full year of competing and being healthy he can get there in 2025.
Doubtful. If I had to guess I would say that he might improve his PR by about 1 second and that will be his lifetime best. He just seemed so much more mature physically in HS than most at that age and those types of athletes usually don’t improve much.
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