Japan is a safe place because it does have guns. Japan has 310k guns for a population with a population of 127 million. The U.S has 434 million guns for a population of 332 million.
Secondly, unfortunately for your marine vet, all witnesses said that no one was attacked. Jordan made people feel uncomfortable and harrassed. Because these actions aren't life threatening or violent, the law will state each person was free to either not engage or transfer cars.
In a fair system, it doesn’t matter how the witnesses felt, only how Jordan felt. But considering courts nowadays feel the need to prosecute if the defendant is white and the deceased is black, he is probably screwed.
Clear case of manslaughter. Off to prison for that dude and his two friends who assisted.
Scores of people have been assaulted by crazy homeless people in the NYC subway over the past couple years. Innocent commuters have been pushed in front of trains. Old people sucker punched and killed. Does anyone protest for those victims? No
But here, a citizen, not a trained cop, restrains a man acting erratically and threatening people who are all stuck with him inside a subway car with no way to avoid the crazed person. This is what gets people out to protest?
Witnesses there said they did not expect the man would die being restrained.
As someone who commutes to NYC, I can't blame the guy for restraining the man. It's a scary situation being locked in a subway car with someone behaving and talking crazy like that.
Have you taken the subway? You are not locked the the car. This was not a 15:17 to Paris scenario that played out on the F train.
I wasn’t on this subway ride but I’ve been riding the NYC subway regularly since pre 9/11 days. Do I know all the facts of what happened on this ride? No. However, over 2 decades of riding the NYC subway I’ve seen dozens of people assaulted, harassed, and abused. I’d bet the house that the man that died was relentlessly harassing people on that train.
Do you know how it feels to sit on a train just to goto work to feed your family and a deranged lunatic is acting so erratically you have to pray they don’t have a gun or knife or that you don’t do anything to make them direct their outburst to you? No, you have no clue. So you can say all you want “WE DONT KNOW THE FACTS” but the truth is the guy who put him in the headlock is what every commuter wishes they had the physical strength or courage to do. Play stupid games and harass people and win stupid prizes.
Unless your life or the life of others were in imment danger of being taken, you just can't murder people because they are a raging A-hole and cursed you out.
What the F is wrong with you.
That guy and his friends are going to prison. Not for 1st degree murder, but easily for manslaughter.
Most states allow for use of deadly force if the person is in fear of being killed or is in danger of receiving great bodily harm. No one knows what this nut was going to do in an enclosed subway space.
this isn’t murder, just someone finally putting an end to the lunacy.
An unsurprising number of Trumpers appear to believe that it should be legal to strangle to death any person who is overly obnoxious or makes you uncomfortable in public.
Most states allow for use of deadly force if the person is in fear of being killed or is in danger of receiving great bodily harm. No one knows what this nut was going to do in an enclosed subway space.
this isn’t murder, just someone finally putting an end to the lunacy.
By this logic, I should be able kill anyone who open carries and claim self defense.
Scores of people have been assaulted by crazy homeless people in the NYC subway over the past couple years. Innocent commuters have been pushed in front of trains. Old people sucker punched and killed. Does anyone protest for those victims? No
But here, a citizen, not a trained cop, restrains a man acting erratically and threatening people who are all stuck with him inside a subway car with no way to avoid the crazed person. This is what gets people out to protest?
Witnesses there said they did not expect the man would die being restrained.
As someone who commutes to NYC, I can't blame the guy for restraining the man. It's a scary situation being locked in a subway car with someone behaving and talking crazy like that.
Have you taken the subway? You are not locked the the car. This was not a 15:17 to Paris scenario that played out on the F train.
Yes, I ride the subway. Ok, not "locked in", but it is not easy to avoid these people in a moving train. Yes, you can pass through the doors into adjoining car, but sometimes other riders are blocking the way and not easy to pass.
Yes, I ride the subway. Ok, not "locked in", but it is not easy to avoid these people in a moving train. Yes, you can pass through the doors into adjoining car, but sometimes other riders are blocking the way and not easy to pass.
You said it yourself. People are loud and disruptive on the subway all the time, and yet other people somehow manage not to choke them to death. This notion that there was no other option but to kill this guy, who was unarmed and had not assaulted anyone, is completely ridiculous.
You shouldn't be disruptive on the subway. Duh! I hate loud, obnoxious people. Doesn't mean I get to kill them! Or does it??
An unsurprising number of Trumpers appear to believe that it should be legal to strangle to death any person who is overly obnoxious or makes you uncomfortable in public.
An unsurprising number of libs (really just far left types) want violent homeless folks free to terrorize people. Most people, even normal libs, do not want this. It's partially why you won't see a summer of Floyd-type response to this.
The sad part is that this guy would probably still be alive right now if it weren't for libs working within the justice system to keep him out of prison.
Here's a crazy thought. Maybe if you act civilized to other people in public, they won't feel threatened and possibly defend themselves. Other people are not responsible for tolerating your violence regardless of how many mental health issues and drug addictions you have.
You know why Japan is a nice place to live? It's because they don't think it's totally normal to have someone threatening their lives on the subway/street. How you can have deluded yourself in to thinking that a violent man threatening to kill others is the victim blows my mind.
Japan is a safe place because it does have guns. Japan has 310k guns for a population with a population of 127 million. The U.S has 434 million guns for a population of 332 million.
Secondly, unfortunately for your marine vet, all witnesses said that no one was attacked. Jordan made people feel uncomfortable and harrassed. Because these actions aren't life threatening or violent, the law will state each person was free to either not engage or transfer cars.
Would you rather have waited for the Marine to act until after someone was assaulted or killed? The tolerance for insanity by the left is....insane.
Japan is a safe place because it does have guns. Japan has 310k guns for a population with a population of 127 million. The U.S has 434 million guns for a population of 332 million.
Secondly, unfortunately for your marine vet, all witnesses said that no one was attacked. Jordan made people feel uncomfortable and harrassed. Because these actions aren't life threatening or violent, the law will state each person was free to either not engage or transfer cars.
Would you rather have waited for the Marine to act until after someone was assaulted or killed? The tolerance for insanity by the left is....insane.
You don't understand legal versus illegal use of deadly force.
Just like the career-criminal, drug-dealing George Floyd, the people most affected by this guy's behaviors and actions (NY subway commuters, other members of the community) are thankful this Marine took action and are generally indifferent (or even happy) about this dirtbag's death.
It's only the keyboard social-justice warriors and the left-wingnut media outlets that are outraged - and the more outrage they can stir up the more power and money they can accrue.
Again, if anyone here complaining about the Marines actions were actual public-transport commuters (NYC or else where), you would understand what more than likely happened here and you would be happy that you and your fellow commuters won't have to deal with this POS doing POS-things again.
Our country is a better and safer place with George Floyd dead, ditto for whoever this guy is. #FreeChauvin
An unsurprising number of libs (really just far left types) want violent homeless folks free to terrorize people. Most people, even normal libs, do not want this. It's partially why you won't see a summer of Floyd-type response to this.
The sad part is that this guy would probably still be alive right now if it weren't for libs working within the justice system to keep him out of prison.
What an idiotic strawman. Where did I say that? If you think that the strangler did nothing wrong, then you are making the arguement that it should be legal to kill anyone who is overly obnoxious in public. But that's where Trumpers are these days. They are just itching to kill the people they don't like.
An unsurprising number of Trumpers appear to believe that it should be legal to strangle to death any person who is overly obnoxious or makes you uncomfortable in public.
Scores of people have been assaulted by crazy homeless people in the NYC subway over the past couple years. Innocent commuters have been pushed in front of trains. Old people sucker punched and killed. Does anyone protest for those victims? No
But here, a citizen, not a trained cop, restrains a man acting erratically and threatening people who are all stuck with him inside a subway car with no way to avoid the crazed person. This is what gets people out to protest?
Witnesses there said they did not expect the man would die being restrained.
As someone who commutes to NYC, I can't blame the guy for restraining the man. It's a scary situation being locked in a subway car with someone behaving and talking crazy like that.
They weren't stuck. The train cars stop every 90s.
Just like the career-criminal, drug-dealing George Floyd, the people most affected by this guy's behaviors and actions (NY subway commuters, other members of the community) are thankful this Marine took action and are generally indifferent (or even happy) about this dirtbag's death.
Zero chance they will get close to a homicide charge here. If he is even charged with a crime at all the dead guy’s criminal history is going to make a conviction unlikely. Citizen’s arrest gone awry. Probably more to come from what happened to actually provoke this sort of reaction. People making physical contact with each other on the subway is extraordinary rare. Have lived in New York for 6 years now and I’ve never seen a fight break out while moving, despite homeless sleeping/living on almost every train.
No charges for the guy who put him in a headlock and had the guts to do what every commuter wants to do. Finally, NYC does something sensible!
I am completely shocked by this response, and the response of the general population on this situation.
Where did your working souls go? You actually think Jordan Neely deserved to be murdered because he was disruptive on the subway?
Let me start by saying I am a pretty petite woman and I have lived in NYC for many years. I have also lived in other cities. The subway in NYC is by far the worst in terms of people being unruly, disruptive and even threatening and then sometimes annoying.
I strongly believed that there needs to be a crackdown on these people: the ones who do a loud jingle, or who street dance, or who solicit and bark for the attention of the whole subway car for money. And there certainly needs to be protection against those who act in a way that is threatening to others. I have been fearful on those cars of people based on the way they behave. I have been fearful on the street.
Having someone restrain someone who moves to hurt another person would be one thing...
But to be held in a chokehold for fifteen minutes, and murdered????
No.
Nope.
Nooooo way.
Honestly I am more fearful someone who feels entitled to snuff the life out of another human being like that, than I am of anything Jordan Neely could have possibly done. And it's scary to think that he just got away with taking someone's life so easily. What's next?
in Texas someone was murdered recently because they scammed a man into thinking he had to pay for parking. Murdered. Over 40 dollars.
Anyways--the idea that we feel entitled to murder someone because they scare us is NOT the same thing as self defense. You're not entitled to take someone's life away because their behavior scares you, or annoys you, or if they even scam you.