Love how people still lump Russia in during these dumb talk tracks. Russia’s military is totally f*cked and couldn’t even handle Ukraine let alone a European NATO member. Russia is all bark no bite and has been so since World War Two. The only people who still treat them as a world power are the weirdos who have an obsession with Putin’s fascistic tendencies.
China has billions of people. America is gonna need bodies. Will there be a draft? If so, what ages will they draft or let join. Will 60 year olds be allowed to enlist?
If there is a war between China and the USA it will be a short, swift and a very deadly war. Both sides will lose many people and material in a short amount of time. By the time the House and Senate get past discussing it and then perhaps voting on a law requiring a draft the war will be over. Your fears of being drafted are unfounded.
...says every politician/warlord with dreams of empire since the dawn of time.
Okay so the US has "only" 450-500 ICBMs and maybe all of the other counties together have that amount, so ~1000 ICBMs will still cause the same catastrophic impact to the Earth and humanity, there will still be very few places if any that will sustain human life.
China will never go to war in Taiwan as long as the local government doesn't cross the line and declare independence. China will also just deal with the status quo on the South China Sea.
Despite the massive economic gains China have made over the past few decades following the end of Moaism, most of the country is still very poor and even the Chinese workers who make enough to be able to afford food and housing live and work in very terrible conditions. The Chinese middle and upper classes have grown significantly, but are still very small compared to Western nations.
China uses nationalism to keep people in line, but understands very well that China has not been involved in a hot war in decades. The CCP knows very well that the Chinese people have a breaking point that is very dangerous. As we saw with COVID restrictions and a banking crisis, the CCP will given in very quickly and quietly when people start rising up. In think the CCP knowns that people in China do not want to go to war against their own people in Taiwan. While people in Taiwan want to be able to govern themselves, they are still very much Chinese and have lots of ties with people on mainland China. People in China do not want to kill their friends, families, etc. in Taiwan. And people in China are just generally adverse to war. A war with the West over the South China Sea would be very bloody for the Chinese. People in China will work for very low wages just to be free of living in rural communities where they were subsistence farmers with no health care and frequent periods of hunger/famine. But they know they still live very hard lives. If you start sending their kids to die in some dumb war over Taiwan or the South China Sea, it won't take long before people turn against the CCP.
China will never go to war in Taiwan as long as the local government doesn't cross the line and declare independence. China will also just deal with the status quo on the South China Sea.
Despite the massive economic gains China have made over the past few decades following the end of Moaism, most of the country is still very poor and even the Chinese workers who make enough to be able to afford food and housing live and work in very terrible conditions. The Chinese middle and upper classes have grown significantly, but are still very small compared to Western nations.
China uses nationalism to keep people in line, but understands very well that China has not been involved in a hot war in decades. The CCP knows very well that the Chinese people have a breaking point that is very dangerous. As we saw with COVID restrictions and a banking crisis, the CCP will given in very quickly and quietly when people start rising up. In think the CCP knowns that people in China do not want to go to war against their own people in Taiwan. While people in Taiwan want to be able to govern themselves, they are still very much Chinese and have lots of ties with people on mainland China. People in China do not want to kill their friends, families, etc. in Taiwan. And people in China are just generally adverse to war. A war with the West over the South China Sea would be very bloody for the Chinese. People in China will work for very low wages just to be free of living in rural communities where they were subsistence farmers with no health care and frequent periods of hunger/famine. But they know they still live very hard lives. If you start sending their kids to die in some dumb war over Taiwan or the South China Sea, it won't take long before people turn against the CCP.
They said Russia would never go to war over Ukraine too.
Never underestimate the danger posed by brutal dictators.
There is no voice of reason in the CCP any longer. Xi Jinping has killed them all. He surrounded by yes men who will agree with whatever he says.
The US defense budget and capabilities is double China and Russia combined.
Budget? Yes.
Capabilities? Not even close.
The US budget is how many times that of the Taliban? How did that turn out?
Our enlisted army is basically made up of people who didn't feel like delivering pizzas, flipping burgers, or driving an Uber any longer. Overweight, lazy, uneducated, unmotivated, and soft. Just think of the people in your high school class that enlisted in the Army. Were they the members of the National Honor Society or the guys sitting outside the principal's office waiting for their next detention? The ones who were on the athletic field representing their school or the ones standing on the corner smoking a cigarette because they are just "so cool?" Way too many of them are looking for a quick payout from Uncle Sam for "disabilities" they received after two years of service sitting in the motor pool looking at their phones.
Money and technology can only get us so far. Men with the willingness to endure hardships and do bad things to people are needed. The US just doesn't have enough of them anymore. Look at the technological advantage we had in Iraq and Afghanistan. We just steamrolled right over them, didn't we? Twenty years in Afghanistan and we still got chased out with our tails between our legs like Vietnam.
I served my time, patrolled the $hitholes of Iraq in an infantry company, and know as well as anyone here what our capabilities are. We might fight to a stalemate with Russia. China? I don't even want to think about it. Our best play is to avoid a war with either of them at all costs.
You are vastly overrating the Chinese army. Word from many sources indicate Chinese soldiers are like the old German Hanoverian mercenaries: great on parade and missing from battle (the Hanoverians were famous for quitting when their employers went to war, they would take their gold and march back home.) People in the know predict that if China goes to war there will be many battlefield surrenders, defections and acts of cowardice.
In general, young Chinese men are physically weak but more importantly are emotionally weak and soft and spoiled. This happened because the past two generations of Chinese boys were coddled by their parents. Boys were favored over girls, to the point where China was practicing infanticide against female babies. This has now become a huge problem in China because they have too many men and not enough women, which is why the Chinese government recently lifted the two child ban and is encouraging people to have three children (and not kill the girl babies anymore.)
Oh, forgot to mention the reason I used the handle "Soft Chinese Emperor boys" is because that is the popular label people in China apply to their young men. That is what people in China call their men.
There is a window of opportunity at the moment for China, but it is rapidly closing. Within a few years the U.S. will have large stockpiles of stealthy, anti-ship cruise missiles that will allow our carriers to effectively protect Taiwan from a much safer distance. A few years after that, we will have significant numbers of B-21s that can attack mainland China from Guam or even the continental United States. Japan will soon have large numbers of cruise missiles that can hit mainland China as well.
Any war with China will be fought by the Navy and Air Force. Large numbers of infantry will be unnecessary. We aren't going to storm the beaches.
That is what makes the coming year dangerous. Will they decide to move on the perceived "window of opportunity"? If they do it will be very bloody for both sides.
The US defense budget and capabilities is double China and Russia combined.
Budget? Yes.
Capabilities? Not even close.
The US budget is how many times that of the Taliban? How did that turn out?
Our enlisted army is basically made up of people who didn't feel like delivering pizzas, flipping burgers, or driving an Uber any longer. Overweight, lazy, uneducated, unmotivated, and soft. Just think of the people in your high school class that enlisted in the Army. Were they the members of the National Honor Society or the guys sitting outside the principal's office waiting for their next detention? The ones who were on the athletic field representing their school or the ones standing on the corner smoking a cigarette because they are just "so cool?" Way too many of them are looking for a quick payout from Uncle Sam for "disabilities" they received after two years of service sitting in the motor pool looking at their phones.
Money and technology can only get us so far. Men with the willingness to endure hardships and do bad things to people are needed. The US just doesn't have enough of them anymore. Look at the technological advantage we had in Iraq and Afghanistan. We just steamrolled right over them, didn't we? Twenty years in Afghanistan and we still got chased out with our tails between our legs like Vietnam.
I served my time, patrolled the $hitholes of Iraq in an infantry company, and know as well as anyone here what our capabilities are. We might fight to a stalemate with Russia. China? I don't even want to think about it. Our best play is to avoid a war with either of them at all costs.
You are spot-on about people confusing military budgets with capability. You can pay more, but you can always get worse.
China will never go to war in Taiwan as long as the local government doesn't cross the line and declare independence. China will also just deal with the status quo on the South China Sea.
Despite the massive economic gains China have made over the past few decades following the end of Moaism, most of the country is still very poor and even the Chinese workers who make enough to be able to afford food and housing live and work in very terrible conditions. The Chinese middle and upper classes have grown significantly, but are still very small compared to Western nations.
China uses nationalism to keep people in line, but understands very well that China has not been involved in a hot war in decades. The CCP knows very well that the Chinese people have a breaking point that is very dangerous. As we saw with COVID restrictions and a banking crisis, the CCP will given in very quickly and quietly when people start rising up. In think the CCP knowns that people in China do not want to go to war against their own people in Taiwan. While people in Taiwan want to be able to govern themselves, they are still very much Chinese and have lots of ties with people on mainland China. People in China do not want to kill their friends, families, etc. in Taiwan. And people in China are just generally adverse to war. A war with the West over the South China Sea would be very bloody for the Chinese. People in China will work for very low wages just to be free of living in rural communities where they were subsistence farmers with no health care and frequent periods of hunger/famine. But they know they still live very hard lives. If you start sending their kids to die in some dumb war over Taiwan or the South China Sea, it won't take long before people turn against the CCP.
They said Russia would never go to war over Ukraine too.
Never underestimate the danger posed by brutal dictators.
There is no voice of reason in the CCP any longer. Xi Jinping has killed them all. He surrounded by yes men who will agree with whatever he says.
The last batch of US conscripts failed in Vietnam and set US war-readiness back for decades. Conscripts destroy morale, execute poorly, and are virtually untrainable.
The last batch of US conscripts failed in Vietnam and set US war-readiness back for decades. Conscripts destroy morale, execute poorly, and are virtually untrainable.
Conscription would be the last option.
The draftees in Vietnam did well on the battlefield.
Vietnam was a political defeat not a military defeat.
That being said the quality of men available for the draft has completely deteriorated in the last 30 years.
The US budget is how many times that of the Taliban? How did that turn out?
Our enlisted army is basically made up of people who didn't feel like delivering pizzas, flipping burgers, or driving an Uber any longer. Overweight, lazy, uneducated, unmotivated, and soft. Just think of the people in your high school class that enlisted in the Army. Were they the members of the National Honor Society or the guys sitting outside the principal's office waiting for their next detention? The ones who were on the athletic field representing their school or the ones standing on the corner smoking a cigarette because they are just "so cool?" Way too many of them are looking for a quick payout from Uncle Sam for "disabilities" they received after two years of service sitting in the motor pool looking at their phones.
Money and technology can only get us so far. Men with the willingness to endure hardships and do bad things to people are needed. The US just doesn't have enough of them anymore. Look at the technological advantage we had in Iraq and Afghanistan. We just steamrolled right over them, didn't we? Twenty years in Afghanistan and we still got chased out with our tails between our legs like Vietnam.
I served my time, patrolled the $hitholes of Iraq in an infantry company, and know as well as anyone here what our capabilities are. We might fight to a stalemate with Russia. China? I don't even want to think about it. Our best play is to avoid a war with either of them at all costs.
In general, young Chinese men are physically weak but more importantly are emotionally weak and soft and spoiled. This happened because the past two generations of Chinese boys were coddled by their parents. Boys were favored over girls, to the point where China was practicing infanticide against female babies. This has now become a huge problem in China because they have too many men and not enough women, which is why the Chinese government recently lifted the two child ban and is encouraging people to have three children (and not kill the girl babies anymore.)
There must be a lot of incels over there - which equals a lot of frustrated, angry young men.
In general, young Chinese men are physically weak but more importantly are emotionally weak and soft and spoiled. This happened because the past two generations of Chinese boys were coddled by their parents. Boys were favored over girls, to the point where China was practicing infanticide against female babies. This has now become a huge problem in China because they have too many men and not enough women, which is why the Chinese government recently lifted the two child ban and is encouraging people to have three children (and not kill the girl babies anymore.)
There must be a lot of incels over there - which equals a lot of frustrated, angry young men.
There's literally over 100 million of them. China spent 30 years aborting all the girl babies which caused a huge disparity in the population of men over women.
The last batch of US conscripts failed in Vietnam and set US war-readiness back for decades. Conscripts destroy morale, execute poorly, and are virtually untrainable.
Conscription would be the last option.
The draftees in Vietnam did well on the battlefield.
Vietnam was a political defeat not a military defeat.
That being said the quality of men available for the draft has completely deteriorated in the last 30 years.
Statistics from WW-II show that on a percentage basis, the draftees received vastly more medals for valor (Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars) than the volunteers. Now, that was WW-II, Vietnam was an entirely different political situation as you astutely point out.
Another interesting statistic from WW-II showed that soldiers from large cities and the state of California were much more likely to display cowardice than the Midwest farm boys. One theory is the farm boys are comfortable seeing animals slaughtered so are use to seeing death and as well most of them are around firearms their entire lives so are comfortable using them. General Patton always wanted farm boys in his units, especially in the motorized units, because farm boys are also experienced fixing broken tractors and other machinery. Regarding Californians, perhaps living the good life makes people fear losing their lives (of course there was poverty in California in 1941 but overall the conditions were soft). I'm not condemning that - war is hell and no one should have to suffer and die for conflict that is often solvable if the vested interests really care to.
The US will draft from Mexico, Central and South America. Also from Canada.
NATO just picked up Finland, which has a long border with Russia.
The US defense budget and capabilities is double China and Russia combined.
For China, more bodies will mean more body bags.
I am Filipino and there is a concern about China and the Spratly Islands.
The PI needs more assistance from the US Navy. Their biggest assets in a war against China are brown-water riverine patrol boats that can enable them to harass Chinese ships and then retreat into the maze of inlets, islands and waterways that make up the PI's many islands (7,600).
I wish our Navy had given the PI some leftover Burkes/Perrys (destroyers and frigates, respectively) and even a CG-47 class or two (Ticos).
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