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Very well stated and though through....I kind of agree..the only slight issue that Nuguse may have..and this has not shown up Indoors..even though tracks are tighter and shorter..he has been clear of traffic..because on he and one other chased the aggressive fractions.. my point is..he is a bit of a "gatherer" really really long strider when wide open all out. Not a shifter..so to speak..he can win this way for sure..but does need some room to unwind..his beautiful in flight stride.
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Nuguse will have traffic late, and he's got enough of an issue staying in his own lane alone. This could be ugly.
Fisher will probably fall off the track.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Tampa man wrote:
Blocked in US
It is available to watch on Flotrack
Not today..tomorrow it is..lol..go check..I think that is what I saw
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
Jakob ran a 54.42 on the last lap of a 3:28.32, which is equivalent to 3:45. After rounds. VERY FAST rounds. his best is the very best in the world. He can be beat, but not on his best day.
The one holdup in this thought is now Jakob is the man in these races. He is unlikely to get Tim pacing him for 1300 meters. He will have to win and control from the front. We saw last year the Kenyans throwing surges at him to take the lead eventually wore him down so that Wightman could get by. It is really hard to win front-running unless you are much better, or behind you a bunch of runners overexert themselves fighting for position. Wightman and Kerr have shown they can run really smart races wasting minimal energy. And if last year's any indication Kipsang and Cheruiyot might take multiple runs at Jakob.
will be interesting to see how much Timothy is in the conversation at this point. he has had so many years at the top, any more becomes more and more historically impressive
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king999 wrote:
Very well stated and though through....I kind of agree..the only slight issue that Nuguse may have..and this has not shown up Indoors..even though tracks are tighter and shorter..he has been clear of traffic..because on he and one other chased the aggressive fractions.. my point is..he is a bit of a "gatherer" really really long strider when wide open all out. Not a shifter..so to speak..he can win this way for sure..but does need some room to unwind..his beautiful in flight stride.
Agree completely. I think Kerr is similar, it is imperative they relax and then commit to big moves at the appropriate time in their races.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Agree completely. I think Kerr is similar, it is imperative they relax and then commit to big moves at the appropriate time in their races.
Relax and then close in 1:48x. Who can do this besides Jakob off even a moderate pace over the first half?
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Wise Old Man wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Agree completely. I think Kerr is similar, it is imperative they relax and then commit to big moves at the appropriate time in their races.
Relax and then close in 1:48x. Who can do this besides Jakob off even a moderate pace over the first half?
I mean there are plenty of people that can close in 1:48 off a moderate pace. Hocker did it at NCAAs in a 3:35 race. More likely the race will go out in 1:51 and you need to come home in 1:51 pace over that final 700m.
Last years world champs Jakob was out in 1:52.04 and then his last 700m was 1:51.5 pace and it wasn't enough to shake Wightman. I have to imagine he doesn't want the kickers anywhere near him over the final 250m, so I expect the pace will be even harder through 800.
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L\'innoculateur wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Fisher has run 26:33. It would be a mistake to count him out vs anyone but Cheptegei in the 10.
My grip about G. Fisher is that he is a runner that do technical planning, chronometer his times.
Look at his past results, he never proved as a freak even in the US level:You have Fisher derangement syndrome.
You never have a good thing to say about Fisher.
We get it. You think Europe, Morocco.
We think Go USA!
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and of course they won't race each other. Great job.
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Here's a video segment on meet from podcast21
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xcfan2233 wrote:
Solid 3K start list. Krop/Fisher/Ndikumwenayo/Katir/Girma/Bekele the headliners. Girma is an animal indoors and has already run 7:30, so ill go with him for the win.
As an American, would love to see Fisher work on racing tactics and positioning. Nobody is going to run away from him at Worlds, just needs to put himself in the right spots when the kicking starts. This is a good place to get your feet wet and be more assertive
Grant WAS in the right place in the 5000m final in Eugene. Jakob just happened to run away from him.
Grant (and Krop) were already gapped when the rail accident occured.
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Jingy Angry? wrote:
Assuming Jakob runs really really fast, I would also enjoy a delusional post-race interview where he talks about how "everyone doubted him" (just like Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs, and the Georgia football head coach).
Who has doubted Jakob?
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Jingy Angry? wrote:
With the fast times being run in the states, I wonder if Jakob will run this 1500 on pure hate to prove to everyone that he's still the guy on top of the mid-distance mountain. I sure hope so.
He has Sowinski so perhaps. It’s not a strong field, though. Ermias Girma is the only big talent in it, but who knows how fit he is. Habz is in good form so he could maybe run 3:33. Ditto Rozmys. Mechaal maybe, but he’s up there in age. If Jakob runs 3:32 or faster he should be well clear. Not sure Lemi, Zeleke or Grethen are fit just yet.
As for Fisher, great chance to mix it up with good competition. Girma is really good indoors and Krop is in solid shape (27:04 road 10K). Katir has a 3:35 unopposed, he’ll be formidable. Thierry N ran a 3:42 1500, so might not be ready. Bekele good 10K in December, Balew ok XC results. I figure Girma and Katir will be right there, we’ll see if Krop is sharp.
If Jakob didn´t believe he could run faster than 3:32 with 2 pacemakers he would probably not turn up.
I think he is going for the WR since the pacers are scheduled to hit 1000m in 2:20.
We will see how much the illness has set him back.
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John Wesley Harding wrote:
Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:
lol
lmao even
Ing would annihilate Feischer and Nuguse in any distance available. His only present competition is the dopped up Africans.
Lot of posters are going to eat their words if Nuguse stays healthy over the next 6 months. It’s not Americans overhyping their own - he ran 3:47.38 with a 25.8 last 200 and crushed Hoare, Garcia Romo and Gourley. There’s nothing illusory about that.
+1
I predicted after the Tokyo Olympics that Jakob would the dominant runner from 1500m to 5000m unless.....
Cheptegei found his 2020 shape,
some of the current top runners improved significantly or
THERE CAME A NEW BOY IN THE CLASSROOM.
Nuguse is in my opinion this new boy.
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And some of the current top runners seem prone to further improvements:
Wigthman
Kerr
Fisher
Krop
So 2023 can be an interesting year.
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MI Strong wrote:
You have Fisher derangement syndrome.
I have LRC threads derangement.
You care a lot about your "Siamois cats" while forgetting the thousand of stray cats suffering every day.
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L\'innoculateur wrote:
MI Strong wrote:
You have Fisher derangement syndrome.
I have LRC threads derangement.
You care a lot about your "Siamois cats" while forgetting the thousand of stray cats suffering every day.
Whatever dude.
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objectiveobserver wrote:
If Jakob didn´t believe he could run faster than 3:32 with 2 pacemakers he would probably not turn up.
I think he is going for the WR since the pacers are scheduled to hit 1000m in 2:20.
We will see how much the illness has set him back.
Jakob I think will play it by ear. If he feels good yes the WR is in play. But if the missed training due to his illness affect him he can run 3:31-3:32 and likely win convincingly nonetheless. I’ve heard more of his quotes ahead of the meet and he’s non-committal on Madrid/European Indoors. He’s evidently using this race to see where he’s at because things were going well before the sickness.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Jakob I think will play it by ear. If he feels good yes the WR is in play. But if the missed training due to his illness affect him he can run 3:31-3:32 and likely win convincingly nonetheless. I’ve heard more of his quotes ahead of the meet and he’s non-committal on Madrid/European Indoors. He’s evidently using this race to see where he’s at because things were going well before the sickness.
sorry for the race spoiler…on the positive side he says he’s doing Euros meaning this trial run was good enough for him.
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