You nailed it. UCLA had done nothing in the distance really for years and now they have a 3:54 guy. I don't recall a single thread talking about UCLA's fantastic talent prior to August last year. You identify the coach when he takes a high school program that had done nothing for decades and turns it into a multi-time national champion with three different de facto national champions plus a national junior xc champ and a twin just as good. Then when you start to see the major progress at his college job, you say, look at the coach. The athletes are the ones who have to do it, so their names are rightly talked about and they won't just disappear when they leave either. But the troll on this thread just doesn't like being proven wrong again and again. Some people can coach a lot better than others. It is just a fact.
So, I guess it depends on what you call major progress. Would you say this year is major progress over last year based on their top performances? I view last year's results as a better program. Don't get me wrong, Staggs has run great, but I wouldn't say the distance program overall has made major progress based on the results. What am I missing? Yet, the Brosnan gaslight crew wants to claim that he's performed miracles.
2023
800
1:51.12
1:51.41 Mile
3:54.93
4:01.71
4:02.55
4:15.01
4:16.49
3000
8:01.79
8:02.35
5000
13:42.20
2022
8001:52.06
1:52.31
1:52.93
1:54.05 Mile
4:01.43
4:01.75
4:03.43
4:05.22
4:07.42
4:09.50
4:10.27 3000
7:53.92
8:02.89
8:08.00
8:11.34
8:11.93 5000
13:46.12
14:01.19
Other than Staggs, the team looks very similar to last year at the top and not nearly as deep. Why have so few raced this year and where’s the depth? If last year’s results got the coach fired, Staggs may be saving Brosnan’s job this year. He does not seem to have made much of impact overall.
So, I guess it depends on what you call major progress. Would you say this year is major progress over last year based on their top performances? I view last year's results as a better program. Don't get me wrong, Staggs has run great, but I wouldn't say the distance program overall has made major progress based on the results. What am I missing? Yet, the Brosnan gaslight crew wants to claim that he's performed miracles.
2023
800
1:51.12
1:51.41 Mile
3:54.93
4:01.71
4:02.55
4:15.01
4:16.49
3000
8:01.79
8:02.35
5000
13:42.20
2022
8001:52.06
1:52.31
1:52.93
1:54.05 Mile
4:01.43
4:01.75
4:03.43
4:05.22
4:07.42
4:09.50
4:10.27 3000
7:53.92
8:02.89
8:08.00
8:11.34
8:11.93 5000
13:46.12
14:01.19
Other than Staggs, the team looks very similar to last year at the top and not nearly as deep. Why have so few raced this year and where’s the depth? If last year’s results got the coach fired, Staggs may be saving Brosnan’s job this year. He does not seem to have made much of impact overall.
Why down votes? Do people objectively think this year was major progress over last year based on the results above?
So, I guess it depends on what you call major progress. Would you say this year is major progress over last year based on their top performances? I view last year's results as a better program. Don't get me wrong, Staggs has run great, but I wouldn't say the distance program overall has made major progress based on the results. What am I missing? Yet, the Brosnan gaslight crew wants to claim that he's performed miracles.
2023
800
1:51.12
1:51.41 Mile
3:54.93
4:01.71
4:02.55
4:15.01
4:16.49
3000
8:01.79
8:02.35
5000
13:42.20
2022
8001:52.06
1:52.31
1:52.93
1:54.05 Mile
4:01.43
4:01.75
4:03.43
4:05.22
4:07.42
4:09.50
4:10.27 3000
7:53.92
8:02.89
8:08.00
8:11.34
8:11.93 5000
13:46.12
14:01.19
Other than Staggs, the team looks very similar to last year at the top and not nearly as deep. Why have so few raced this year and where’s the depth? If last year’s results got the coach fired, Staggs may be saving Brosnan’s job this year. He does not seem to have made much of impact overall.
Ok, let’s wait until the season is over before looking at the score. However, what would have been “success” in your mind. They still have one competition left to meet your expectations
Here are the results:
Jai Dawson: 4:02.55 PB. Prior best was 4:10.7 (mile equivalent). 8sec+ improvement
Staggs: 3:54.93 PB. Prior best 4:01.4. 6sec+ improvement.
Mireles: 8:02.3 PB. Prior best ??? He ran 9:07 as a Soph in HS.
Herold: 4:01.71PB/8:01.7 and 13:42PB. Prior bests 4:01.75/7:53.9/13:46.
Wibur: 4:05.15PB. Prior best 4:09.47
Wingo: 1:51.41 indoor PB. Outdoor best is 1:51.37
Stone: 4:15. PB is 4:03.4
Parker: 4:16. PB is 4:05.2
Not sure what happened to Stone and Parker. They only raced once (in Jan) and have not raced since then. Maybe we will see them next weekend.
What times do you want them to achieve next weekend in order for them to have a successful season?
Other than Staggs, the team looks very similar to last year at the top and not nearly as deep. Why have so few raced this year and where’s the depth? If last year’s results got the coach fired, Staggs may be saving Brosnan’s job this year. He does not seem to have made much of impact overall.
Ok, let’s wait until the season is over before looking at the score. However, what would have been “success” in your mind. They still have one competition left to meet your expectations
Here are the results:
Jai Dawson: 4:02.55 PB. Prior best was 4:10.7 (mile equivalent). 8sec+ improvement
Staggs: 3:54.93 PB. Prior best 4:01.4. 6sec+ improvement.
Mireles: 8:02.3 PB. Prior best ??? He ran 9:07 as a Soph in HS.
Herold: 4:01.71PB/8:01.7 and 13:42PB. Prior bests 4:01.75/7:53.9/13:46.
Wibur: 4:05.15PB. Prior best 4:09.47
Wingo: 1:51.41 indoor PB. Outdoor best is 1:51.37
Stone: 4:15. PB is 4:03.4
Parker: 4:16. PB is 4:05.2
Not sure what happened to Stone and Parker. They only raced once (in Jan) and have not raced since then. Maybe we will see them next weekend.
What times do you want them to achieve next weekend in order for them to have a successful season?
The team looks essentially the same. If you want to point out individual improvements, you may want to do the same for every team. Most kids improve year over year.
It’s not my expectations you should be worried about. Someone prior said the program made major improvements. I don’t see it. The program looks almost exactly the same. Some improved, some didn’t and some disappeared, just like most programs in the country. It certainly hasn’t been remarkable progress.
People who worship at the Brosnan alter will take any results and pick the ones that make him look like a genius.
Peter Harold has hardly improved. Does that mean he did a bad job? Jai Dawson’s Mille improved, but his 800 is slower. Do you give him. Credit for improving his mile, but not criticize him for his 800?
Again, OVERALL, the program looks almost identical to last year. If you see anything other than that, you’re just being a homer.
Ok, let’s wait until the season is over before looking at the score. However, what would have been “success” in your mind. They still have one competition left to meet your expectations
Here are the results:
Jai Dawson: 4:02.55 PB. Prior best was 4:10.7 (mile equivalent). 8sec+ improvement
Staggs: 3:54.93 PB. Prior best 4:01.4. 6sec+ improvement.
Mireles: 8:02.3 PB. Prior best ??? He ran 9:07 as a Soph in HS.
Herold: 4:01.71PB/8:01.7 and 13:42PB. Prior bests 4:01.75/7:53.9/13:46.
Wibur: 4:05.15PB. Prior best 4:09.47
Wingo: 1:51.41 indoor PB. Outdoor best is 1:51.37
Stone: 4:15. PB is 4:03.4
Parker: 4:16. PB is 4:05.2
Not sure what happened to Stone and Parker. They only raced once (in Jan) and have not raced since then. Maybe we will see them next weekend.
What times do you want them to achieve next weekend in order for them to have a successful season?
The team looks essentially the same. If you want to point out individual improvements, you may want to do the same for every team. Most kids improve year over year.
It’s not my expectations you should be worried about. Someone prior said the program made major improvements. I don’t see it. The program looks almost exactly the same. Some improved, some didn’t and some disappeared, just like most programs in the country. It certainly hasn’t been remarkable progress.
People who worship at the Brosnan alter will take any results and pick the ones that make him look like a genius.
Peter Harold has hardly improved. Does that mean he did a bad job? Jai Dawson’s Mille improved, but his 800 is slower. Do you give him. Credit for improving his mile, but not criticize him for his 800?
Again, OVERALL, the program looks almost identical to last year. If you see anything other than that, you’re just being a homer.
You’re comparing indoor times to outdoor. The team has been a compete 180 in results and they actually have relay teams and individuals going to NCAA’s. Talk about a huge improvement. To bring up Peter Herold is a good point because looking at last year he was at his worst in April and May. Let’s see what Peter runs in the coming weeks. If Peter is at his best this month for indoor and May for outdoor and runs huge PR’s., will you say he did a good job then? I think everyone that wants to criticize will continue to do so. it’s the nature of haters.
The team looks essentially the same. If you want to point out individual improvements, you may want to do the same for every team. Most kids improve year over year.
It’s not my expectations you should be worried about. Someone prior said the program made major improvements. I don’t see it. The program looks almost exactly the same. Some improved, some didn’t and some disappeared, just like most programs in the country. It certainly hasn’t been remarkable progress.
People who worship at the Brosnan alter will take any results and pick the ones that make him look like a genius.
Peter Harold has hardly improved. Does that mean he did a bad job? Jai Dawson’s Mille improved, but his 800 is slower. Do you give him. Credit for improving his mile, but not criticize him for his 800?
Again, OVERALL, the program looks almost identical to last year. If you see anything other than that, you’re just being a homer.
You’re comparing indoor times to outdoor. The team has been a compete 180 in results and they actually have relay teams and individuals going to NCAA’s. Talk about a huge improvement. To bring up Peter Herold is a good point because looking at last year he was at his worst in April and May. Let’s see what Peter runs in the coming weeks. If Peter is at his best this month for indoor and May for outdoor and runs huge PR’s., will you say he did a good job then? I think everyone that wants to criticize will continue to do so. it’s the nature of haters.
You’re wrong. I’m comparing indoor times from last year to indoor times from this year. They are almost identical!
If at some point later in the year, the team looks more impressive than last year, I will say he had an impact. However, at this point the results are the same as last year.
Try your best to be objective (I know it’s hard) and just look at the team’s times from last year to this year. How can you possibly objectively say it’s much better?
You’re comparing indoor times to outdoor. The team has been a compete 180 in results and they actually have relay teams and individuals going to NCAA’s. Talk about a huge improvement. To bring up Peter Herold is a good point because looking at last year he was at his worst in April and May. Let’s see what Peter runs in the coming weeks. If Peter is at his best this month for indoor and May for outdoor and runs huge PR’s., will you say he did a good job then? I think everyone that wants to criticize will continue to do so. it’s the nature of haters.
You’re wrong. I’m comparing indoor times from last year to indoor times from this year. They are almost identical!
If at some point later in the year, the team looks more impressive than last year, I will say he had an impact. However, at this point the results are the same as last year.
Try your best to be objective (I know it’s hard) and just look at the team’s times from last year to this year. How can you possibly objectively say it’s much better?
Your comparing Peter Herold again ? His season is not over yet. You also said Jai Dawson ran 1:49 last year compared to a time in a event he ran once (1:51 ) this January. No worries about his mile (4:02 ) to his outdoor 4:09. FYI there is a difference between indoor and outdoor.
I’m an Alum of UCLA and very proud of the huge progress the program has made with Brosnan’s hire and it’s just two / three meets deep into the indoor season. I’ve been a fan of Track & Field for a long time and you must be blind to bet against the UCLA distance crew moving forward.
I’ll be sure to point out how your posts didn’t age well as the season moves forward.
You’re wrong. I’m comparing indoor times from last year to indoor times from this year. They are almost identical!
If at some point later in the year, the team looks more impressive than last year, I will say he had an impact. However, at this point the results are the same as last year.
Try your best to be objective (I know it’s hard) and just look at the team’s times from last year to this year. How can you possibly objectively say it’s much better?
Your comparing Peter Herold again ? His season is not over yet. You also said Jai Dawson ran 1:49 last year compared to a time in a event he ran once (1:51 ) this January. No worries about his mile (4:02 ) to his outdoor 4:09. FYI there is a difference between indoor and outdoor.
I’m an Alum of UCLA and very proud of the huge progress the program has made with Brosnan’s hire and it’s just two / three meets deep into the indoor season. I’ve been a fan of Track & Field for a long time and you must be blind to bet against the UCLA distance crew moving forward.
I’ll be sure to point out how your posts didn’t age well as the season moves forward.
#GoBruins
Yes, he is pointing out how bad Herold is doing this season.
The same Herold who (last weekend) improved his 5000m PB to 13:42 (up to 2nd UCLA all time) and then followed up with a small mile PB (4:01.71) the next day.
No she’s only run one solo Mile at 4:34. and Anchored a 4:34 DMR. Believe she’s racing for DMR and solo mile race Saturday. With transfer, not much time to race.
Your comparing Peter Herold again ? His season is not over yet. You also said Jai Dawson ran 1:49 last year compared to a time in a event he ran once (1:51 ) this January. No worries about his mile (4:02 ) to his outdoor 4:09. FYI there is a difference between indoor and outdoor.
I’m an Alum of UCLA and very proud of the huge progress the program has made with Brosnan’s hire and it’s just two / three meets deep into the indoor season. I’ve been a fan of Track & Field for a long time and you must be blind to bet against the UCLA distance crew moving forward.
I’ll be sure to point out how your posts didn’t age well as the season moves forward.
#GoBruins
Yes, he is pointing out how bad Herold is doing this season.
The same Herold who (last weekend) improved his 5000m PB to 13:42 (up to 2nd UCLA all time) and then followed up with a small mile PB (4:01.71) the next day.
I wish I had bad weekends like that every week.
First of all, not a he.
Let me try one last time to point out the OVERALL success of the program, not debating Herold or Staggs, although tough to say Herold has had a major improvement (so far) this year.
Last year (2022) event group rankings for week 5 of the indoor season:
800 - 52nd
Mile - 36th
3000 - 37th
5000 - NR
This year (2023) event group rankings for week 5 of the indoor season:
800 - NR
Mile - 29th
3000 - NR
5000 - NR
I'm just baffled that someone can OBJECTIVELY say this year is a MAJOR improvement over last year. Now, he may have a major impact at some point in the future; only time will tell. But so far, he has not.
Other than Staggs, the team looks very similar to last year at the top and not nearly as deep. Why have so few raced this year and where’s the depth? If last year’s results got the coach fired, Staggs may be saving Brosnan’s job this year. He does not seem to have made much of impact overall.
Ok, let’s wait until the season is over before looking at the score. However, what would have been “success” in your mind. They still have one competition left to meet your expectations
Here are the results:
Jai Dawson: 4:02.55 PB. Prior best was 4:10.7 (mile equivalent). 8sec+ improvement
Staggs: 3:54.93 PB. Prior best 4:01.4. 6sec+ improvement.
Mireles: 8:02.3 PB. Prior best ??? He ran 9:07 as a Soph in HS.
Herold: 4:01.71PB/8:01.7 and 13:42PB. Prior bests 4:01.75/7:53.9/13:46.
Wibur: 4:05.15PB. Prior best 4:09.47
Wingo: 1:51.41 indoor PB. Outdoor best is 1:51.37
Stone: 4:15. PB is 4:03.4
Parker: 4:16. PB is 4:05.2
Not sure what happened to Stone and Parker. They only raced once (in Jan) and have not raced since then. Maybe we will see them next weekend.
What times do you want them to achieve next weekend in order for them to have a successful season?
UCLA runners are pretty much all entered in 2 events at Washington meet this weekend. They also entered a DMR team. Which events are they really running?