Klosterhalfen vs Katelyn Tuohy

You spent the last two months accusing Valby of PED usage. Which is it?

Give me a break. Didn't Koko's times slow down after Salazar got busted? She has been suspect for a while. Her affiliation with NOP is enough to wonder, let alone her rapid progression.

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Sifan Hassan and Konstanze Klosterhalfen contest trackfinals at the IAAF World Championships today but won’t be able to run away from the suspicion surrounding them. The...

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Tuohy has been suspect all the way through high school.

Ridiculous. Hassan dominated Tokyo 2021 despite a ridiculous program (two years after the dissolution of NOP!) and Klosterhalfen was never coached by Alberto, had her breakthrough 2016 to 17 two years before even joining NOP. She was top 5 in the u20 lists in 2016 from 800m through 10 km.

And was injured several times, starting summer 2020, again almost a year after Alberto was banned.

But this doesn't change the problem: What does a fanboy like astro do when Tuohy gets to run fast times? The most interesting thing about this silly thread is that Tuohy has almost the same times at 20 as Koko had at 19. So 4:06 15:15 is apparently still plausible without suspicion. How good is too good? People ranted about Tuohy being in 14:40ish shape a few weeks ago, so if she runs this next year, why is this still not suspicious? When does it get suspicious? When it's someone the fanboy does not like or does not know much about...?

The sport is what it is. Between being appropriately cynical and realistic on the one hand and being hopelessly naive on the other, I will go with the former. The refusal to admit the problem has killed the sport. The see no evil approach just does not work. You literally cannot admit reality, so you think this is not an absurd and invidious comparison. You actually think Koko ran 14:20 clean and that it was natural ability? Come off it.

Come to think of it, when is that last time a top European distance runner was caught? Are they even trying anymore? You talk about suspecting everything. Let's play that game. How about another top female runner, Nadia Battocletti. I remember that name from when Chmiel beat her at the Great Edinburgh race in 2018. Anyway she was a solid junior runner when suddenly in 2021, just in time for the Olympics, her 5000m dramatically dropped from the 15:40 to sub 15 in a matter of months and she got 7th in the Olympic final. Such a radical pr drop would be suspicious by itself, but then you find out that she is coached by her father, who was banned for doping (nandrolone) in 1999 right after winning the European cross country championship. Not to mention the prevalence of doping in Italian athletics (Lamont Jacobs anyone?).

So if I ask a question about that, despite it being so obvious, is that "questioning everything", being cynical, being incredulous, or is that cold, plain reality? The fact that no one did says it all.

The pro game is what it is. As long as it stays in its own lane, fine. I still follow cycling, albeit with eyes wide open. But don't compare a college athlete to this circus.

Way more testing at the pro level than college. Way more testing in college than high school. Koko was a pro while Tuohy was in high school. Therefore, Tuohy was ay more likely to be doping than Koko.

You know what he will say. Blah blah blah, Tuohy is clean but everyone else is dirty if they are faster than her. I guess the dirty pool will shrink if she improves.

Burned out like your brain cells!👌

Waking up at 2am and seeing this JOKE?? Sleepy asf but almost laughed tho ~~~ but it did made me smile 🥰 ahhahahah Tuohy owns you !! Looks like u have been jealous and insecure of her since high school .. mustve irked your soul so much seeing her dominate college because pretty sure YOU THOUGT SHE WAS GONNA BURNED OUT

Katelyn always gets the last laugh

Ahhahahahha you're real username is Valbymania

Tuohy is the most suspicious runner in the NCAA. She has to be according to the logic that the fastest are doping.

Klosterhalfen at 22 in the German championships in 2019 in a solo 14:26. I hope she gets back to this level.

You think that Tuohy is faster than all female American pros? Don't you follow the sport? Or were you being sarcastic? With the ignorance on this website, it is hard to tell true stupidity from attempted sarcasm.

The Germans will happily bust their own athletes. They are the kind of culture who seems to find more pleasure in cutting down the tall daisies than we Americans ever would.

I remember the Germans hunting down Jan Ulrich and pulling him off the start line of the Tour minutes before he was scheduled to start the prologue. The were then (rightfully) proud to have done so. He was their star but it didn't stop them from bringing him down (they are the opposite of the Russians and Italians).

I don't think they would let KoKo get away with anything if they had the dirt on her. Just from a cultural perspective. The athletes have certainly cheated (Baumann, Franke, Ulrich, etc.) but the national anti-doping system and media are part of a "rules were broken and people must be punished" culture.

The 1:05 half marathon debut and major win didn't do it for you? Or the Euro 5K Gold or the way Koko and Grovdal absolutely decimated the entire European field by nearly a minute. All in the last 90 days.

The opposite is true. The Germans tried their best to let their favorite drug cheat get away with nandro doping, but fortunately the IAAF intervened successfully. Very similar to Decker over here, btw.

I assume Semi is referring to the pros at age 20. If not, it is not close. But at age 20, compared to Kelati, Monson, Schweitzer and Abbey D (when they were 20) Tuohy seems to be as fast or faster. At 21 and beyond, who knows?

No, none of those things was near the level of 14:26 with no pacers and no comp, or 8:20 or 3:58. Euros on the women's side are weak.

How about Cain or Effraimson or Decker?