White Rock Marathon-Liza Hunter-Galvan

This is the best blog ever (warning, vulgar):

http://simonstitchup.blogspot.com/2009/08/liza-hunter-galvan.html

an honest view wrote:

This is the best blog ever (warning, vulgar):

http://simonstitchup.blogspot.com/2009/08/liza-hunter-galvan.html

He should learn to be a bit more honest and straightforward. Tell us what you really think, instead of diluting it with politically correct jargon, please.

Quite embarrassing. I wonder if the university will take back their award and give it to someone more deserving.

I just became aware of this thread and of Hunter-Gavin's positive test and suspension. I stand by my previous post. There must be postive proof before accusations are made and the athlete in question is penalized. I also feel that the penalties for taking banned drugs are not nearly severe enough. The first suspension should be for at least four years. At least one Olympics should be included. The second infraction should result in a lifetime suspension. It is a shame that Hunter-Gavan's actions have resulted in others losing the satisfaction, glory and prize that went to her instead.

OrvilleAtkins wrote:

There must be postive proof before accusations are made

Nonsense. When anti-doping measures start catching people before the court of public opinion does then I'll start to agree with what at this point is a soft, maudlin suggestion.

Weird ass picture from that blog:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CfDMAJdr6q8/SijoYsAJTNI/AAAAAAAAA9w/RRDkJLss_w8/s1600-h/webbramzi.jpg

Once again, pucker up bitches. You owe the OP their props.

HA!! I know the OP and some of the posters coming to Liza's defense. Many of you called the OP a fool. Well, now kiss their ass. They were right as many of us thought some years ago.

The "I'm sorry line starts there" and the "ass kissing line starts here." Pucker up, bitches.

SA Observer wrote:

Once again, pucker up bitches. You owe the OP their props.

HA!! I know the OP and some of the posters coming to Liza's defense. Many of you called the OP a fool. Well, now kiss their ass. They were right as many of us thought some years ago.

The "I'm sorry line starts there" and the "ass kissing line starts here." Pucker up, bitches.

Nope. No apology here. I'll never be ok with people making accusations simply because an athlete has an unexpectedly good performance. She deserves every bit of abuse she's getting now but that's because she's been proven dirty.

I agree with HRE. You won't get an apology from me--EVER. And I also agree she and every other cheat should get raked over the coals, spiteful emails and editorials, and the like for dragging the clean runners among us down.

I say this because years ago a close friend of mine, whom I knew to be clean, was accused of the same thing. Should we kiss up to any fool who, without any solid evidence, accuses a runner while hiding behind anonymity?

Stand up and put your real name on here, like a few of us do, and then maybe you'll show us your wisdom in picking the clean from the dirty, the shamed from the hard-working.

What's the quote ... excused are like assholes, everyone has one but some smell worse than others ... well this one smells pretty bad. Comes across in the article blaming others and then appears to suggest the EPO was for an injury - wow. Not the role model we all thought and had hoped for. When will a busted cheat finally just come out and say "You know what, I made a terible error in judgement, I am ashamed for what I did and I deserve the judgement passed down"[quote]PepperWHAT? wrote:

I'm a father of two and I can't imagine having to explain to my boys that I cheated. Damn. There's nothing any of us can say that would hurt her more than what she has to face... her children. That's will be punishment enough.

shamer wrote:

I'm a father of two and I can't imagine having to explain to my boys that I cheated. Damn. There's nothing any of us can say that would hurt her more than what she has to face... her children. That's will be punishment enough.

Good point except that it assumes she will give her children the truth.

Well, if you don't want to bias testing towards the suspected you're have to test everyone, or no one to make it fair. Otherwise, everyone that gets tested will be screaming about bias. The human body is not without limits, when an athlete posts times that are suspicious they should get tested. If they are clean, its a compliment, its like saying "Hey, that was so dam good we almost can't believe it", if they test positive its saying "Hey F-you you're a cheater and too stupid to cover it up properly." You all should apologize, for throwing emotion into the argument instead of trying to look at her results objectively.

HRE wrote:

I'll never be ok with people making accusations simply because an athlete has an unexpectedly good performance.

Then you're ok with being wholly out of touch with reality.

Those of us who aren't as close to the situation as a result have a healthy enough perspective to see past the smokescreen that comes out of personal relationships (if not outright wishful thinking) and saw the cold, hard reality for what it was long before you sycophants and Pollyannas ever did. Yes, in this day and age some of us who are lucid enough to learn history's lessons know that any large jump in performance is definite cause for suspicion. If you don't like that then you need to get more involved in getting this sport truly cleaned up once and for all, irrespective of what your "real name" might be.

gregward wrote:

I agree with HRE. You won't get an apology from me--EVER. And I also agree she and every other cheat should get raked over the coals, spiteful emails and editorials, and the like for dragging the clean runners among us down.

I say this because years ago a close friend of mine, whom I knew to be clean, was accused of the same thing. Should we kiss up to any fool who, without any solid evidence, accuses a runner while hiding behind anonymity?

Stand up and put your real name on here, like a few of us do, and then maybe you'll show us your wisdom in picking the clean from the dirty, the shamed from the hard-working.

Oh the Irony wrote:

Oh the irony of calling someone stupid when you don't even understand the word. A mistake can be an intentional or unintentional. Maybe you should buy and use a dictionary before calling another person stupid. Mean and stupid is a bad combination.

The use of "mistake" in this context was obviously not meant as just an alternate definition of the word. It was a deliberate attempt to make the transgressor's actions sound like something trivial, almost accidental. Like misspelling a word or slipping on a banana peel. As if poor Liza was sitting there one day and -- whoops! -- that EPO accidentally got injected into her bloodstream. Oh my, how on earth did THAT happen?

Only in this case, Hunter-Galvan made the "mistake" over and over again.

In fact, the "alternate meaning" to which you refer (also known as "error in judgement") is actually not part of most older definitions of "mistake". It has crept into the English language over the years, much like "snuck" is now becoming accepted as a valid substitute for "sneaked".

And so the language continues to be dumbed down.

Cheated? wrote:

shamer wrote:

I'm a father of two and I can't imagine having to explain to my boys that I cheated. Damn. There's nothing any of us can say that would hurt her more than what she has to face... her children. That's will be punishment enough.

Good point except that it assumes she will give her children the truth.

She'll be like

"Honey, they all take this stuff. But they chose mummy to be curcified. They do that with some athletes from time to time."

"But that's not fair!"

"I know honey."

"Wahahahahaha"

"shshshshs, it'll be alright. I am here for you."

"You....sniff...are...the...best...sniff...runner, mommy!"

I don't know LHG at all so there is no personal relationship that would account for what I've written. What there is in general is a possiblity that an athlete has made a legitimate breakthrough and a possibility that they've made an illegitimate breakthrough. Barring evidence of the latter I am not going to risk slandering someone who has made the former.

I no longer get as excited by those breakthroughs as I once did because I undertsand the questions and doubts that can come with the breakthroughs. But I still think it's wrong, for example, that a potentially clean Dathan Ritzenhein will be treated like he's a dirty Dathan Ritzenhein.

If the OP had something other than "she's run a lot of fast races in a pretty short time" and had added that it would be different.

Being a fan of an individual athlete is a "personal relationship." When you feel enough of an emotional investment that you have feelings (good or bad, great or small) as a direct result of an individual performance then you'll have bias. You can think the treatment wrong, but whining about it here is probably the least you can do to change that. You may not realize it but your real issue is, at its root, with the culture enabled by bodies like USATF and IAAF.