Molly Seidel Seeking TUE for Adderall - Will not run NYC Mini 10k

briswiss wrote:

Woof wrote:

Have you ever taken adderall consistently? It's absolutely NOT a performance enhancer - I feel totally breathless and like my heart is pounding outside of my chest when I run on it and the days after. It's a very similar feeling to cocaine heart. I seriously doubt she could continue to perform at a high level while taking this. Don't even get me started on the lack of sleep she's about to get lol

You are the exception. I am prescribed adderall and take it to get things at my job done but man it is unreal how easy it is to train when taking it. Some days I lack motivation to run and then during my lunch break I’m doing 10 miles. Pre-hab/ exercises? Never was good at staying on top of that stuff. With adderall, I look forward to doing all of the small things. Adderall won’t make you faster necessarily but it will make putting in all of the work to get faster a million times easier. Any day you are feeling flat, dragging or not motivated, you can instantly fix that with adderall. It is 100% a performance enhancer.

Selfishly I don’t want other people to take adderall because I feel like it gives me a leg up in my job (I’m in sales and you’re constantly compared to the other reps) but morally, I feel like anyone should be to get it prescribed even if they don’t have adhd. As long as you are healthy monitor you blood pressure, etc… there really aren’t any negative health affects. That being said, I look down on Molly for this. If she wants to take adderall for her mental health, all the power to her she shouldn’t be competing.

choccymilklife wrote:

Wow ok...pretty much no one on this thread understands how ADHD works. As someone who has it, took Adderall as a kid, and now takes Welbutrin, allow me to clarify a few points. Individuals with ADHD have decreased dopamine function in the brain. Adderall raises dopamine concentration in the central nervous system to a 'normal' level. The effects of Adderall on those with clinically diagnosed ADHD are significantly different from those without. In very simplified terms, Adderall brings an ADHD-affected brain 'up' to a unaffected brain's level for focus and mood, and 'down' to an unaffected brain's level for hyperactivity and impulsivity. If Molly has been diagnosed with ADHD, then Adderall (in the appropriate dosage prescribed by a psychiatrist) is completely appropriate in her situation. As for those comparing her to Shelby and asserting, without any basis beyond "she ran fast so she's a doper," that Molly has been on drugs for some time...maybe get some non-anecdotal/circumstantial evidence before announcing your fantasies as fact.

briswiss wrote:

Woof wrote:

Have you ever taken adderall consistently? It's absolutely NOT a performance enhancer - I feel totally breathless and like my heart is pounding outside of my chest when I run on it and the days after. It's a very similar feeling to cocaine heart. I seriously doubt she could continue to perform at a high level while taking this. Don't even get me started on the lack of sleep she's about to get lol

You are the exception. I am prescribed adderall and take it to get things at my job done but man it is unreal how easy it is to train when taking it. Some days I lack motivation to run and then during my lunch break I’m doing 10 miles. Pre-hab/ exercises? Never was good at staying on top of that stuff. With adderall, I look forward to doing all of the small things. Adderall won’t make you faster necessarily but it will make putting in all of the work to get faster a million times easier. Any day you are feeling flat, dragging or not motivated, you can instantly fix that with adderall. It is 100% a performance enhancer.

Selfishly I don’t want other people to take adderall because I feel like it gives me a leg up in my job (I’m in sales and you’re constantly compared to the other reps) but morally, I feel like anyone should be to get it prescribed even if they don’t have adhd. As long as you are healthy monitor you blood pressure, etc… there really aren’t any negative health affects. That being said, I look down on Molly for this. If she wants to take adderall for her mental health, all the power to her she shouldn’t be competing.

Bonkers wrote:

choccymilklife wrote:

Wow ok...pretty much no one on this thread understands how ADHD works. As someone who has it, took Adderall as a kid, and now takes Welbutrin, allow me to clarify a few points. Individuals with ADHD have decreased dopamine function in the brain. Adderall raises dopamine concentration in the central nervous system to a 'normal' level. The effects of Adderall on those with clinically diagnosed ADHD are significantly different from those without. In very simplified terms, Adderall brings an ADHD-affected brain 'up' to a unaffected brain's level for focus and mood, and 'down' to an unaffected brain's level for hyperactivity and impulsivity. If Molly has been diagnosed with ADHD, then Adderall (in the appropriate dosage prescribed by a psychiatrist) is completely appropriate in her situation. As for those comparing her to Shelby and asserting, without any basis beyond "she ran fast so she's a doper," that Molly has been on drugs for some time...maybe get some non-anecdotal/circumstantial evidence before announcing your fantasies as fact.

So it sounds like for someone with ADHD, adderall functions similar to how an inhaler works for someone with asthma? It doesn't bump you above normal body function, it just brings you up to that normal level.

choccymilklife wrote:

Wow ok...pretty much no one on this thread understands how ADHD works. As someone who has it, took Adderall as a kid, and now takes Welbutrin, allow me to clarify a few points. Individuals with ADHD have decreased dopamine function in the brain. Adderall raises dopamine concentration in the central nervous system to a 'normal' level. The effects of Adderall on those with clinically diagnosed ADHD are significantly different from those without. In very simplified terms, Adderall brings an ADHD-affected brain 'up' to a unaffected brain's level for focus and mood, and 'down' to an unaffected brain's level for hyperactivity and impulsivity. If Molly has been diagnosed with ADHD, then Adderall (in the appropriate dosage prescribed by a psychiatrist) is completely appropriate in her situation. As for those comparing her to Shelby and asserting, without any basis beyond "she ran fast so she's a doper," that Molly has been on drugs for some time...maybe get some non-anecdotal/circumstantial evidence before announcing your fantasies as fact.

casual obsever wrote:

Honest Mike wrote:

Nope.

I don't have to accept the sudden DRUG usage "for ADHD" when such drug is in accordance with training, distance, time and employment (Molly is a professional athlete).

If i showed up to my job...my job..job...that which i get money for..like Molly...i could get fired for being on adderall. I would not qualify for a bogus TUE because the expectations are that I'd be working substance free.

And if the adderall is a new development and she hasn't been on drugs for a long time, then that's a more suspicious premise because there's no reason that a runner would suddenly need adderall for ADHD when adderall doesn't get in the way of her job. Right..job.

But it could augment results...oh...well hey...

Yeah. A hard no.

Good points.

The need for Adderall is either a new development, or she won her Olympic medal on Adderall committing an anti-doping rule violation.

And yes, it is a stimulant containing amphetamines, which is why for example Gatlin was only allowed to use it out-of-competition (but he used it in competition too and got caught and banned).