Name one factual source that proves BTC is on that medication? Until you have definitive proof don't speculate. Furthermore, you are innocent until proven guilty.
Name one factual source that proves BTC is on that medication? Until you have definitive proof don't speculate. Furthermore, you are innocent until proven guilty.
The irony with the "BTC are all taking thyroid boosting meds" argument is that DeBues-Stafford does the exact opposite and is on medication to suppress her thyroid. She's talked about her Graves Disease and how untreated her heart rate clears 200bpm on easy runs and even with medication hits 205 on long runs. She's been open about her condition for a decade now.
Agreed. Listening to the droning entitlement was sickening.
And like most of her team she will not criticize her doping former teammate. It seems like they may still train together!
Uhh, I meant how can you not be a fan of Elise after listening to her on that podcast. The interviewer didn't even ask about Shelby either. Again, stop bringing up doping. This thread isn't about doping.
Uhh, YOU SAID "Not sure how people can not be fans of Elise after listening", which was a great question.
For someone paid to make a shoe company more profitable, she has a strangely entitled attitude toward promoting track as a sport and not a niche activity on a par with darts and snooker.
As for doping, if your teammate is banned for doping, your coach is defending the banned doper, and your whole team is still training with the banned doper, you don't get to dodge questions about doping.
The irony with the "BTC are all taking thyroid boosting meds" argument is that DeBues-Stafford does the exact opposite and is on medication to suppress her thyroid. She's talked about her Graves Disease and how untreated her heart rate clears 200bpm on easy runs and even with medication hits 205 on long runs. She's been open about her condition for a decade now.
Agreed. Listening to the droning entitlement was sickening.
And like most of her team she will not criticize her doping former teammate. It seems like they may still train together!
Uhh, I meant how can you not be a fan of Elise after listening to her on that podcast. The interviewer didn't even ask about Shelby either. Again, stop bringing up doping. This thread isn't about doping.
Start a thread about Viren and see how long it takes for blood doping to come up.There's no hard evidence that he did. Start a thread about someone from a group that's had a high profile drug bust and everyone from that group is either supportive of or quiet about that busted athlete and you're going to a thread about doping.
Uhh, I meant how can you not be a fan of Elise after listening to her on that podcast. The interviewer didn't even ask about Shelby either. Again, stop bringing up doping. This thread isn't about doping.
Start a thread about Viren and see how long it takes for blood doping to come up.There's no hard evidence that he did. Start a thread about someone from a group that's had a high profile drug bust and everyone from that group is either supportive of or quiet about that busted athlete and you're going to a thread about doping.
Exactly.
And unlike Viren there is there is stone-cold hard evidence that a BTC runner had banned substances in her blood.
And a coach/team still training with her.
Real anti-coping teams and coaches are clear: "You cheat, you're out."
Not Schumacher, not BTC. "If you're fast, you stay."
Name one factual source that proves BTC is on that medication? Until you have definitive proof don't speculate. Furthermore, you are innocent until proven guilty.
The irony with the "BTC are all taking thyroid boosting meds" argument is that DeBues-Stafford does the exact opposite and is on medication to suppress her thyroid. She's talked about her Graves Disease and how untreated her heart rate clears 200bpm on easy runs and even with medication hits 205 on long runs. She's been open about her condition for a decade now.
Exactly. Why can't they be like Flanagan and say something like:
I look at all dopers, and I don’t even look at the money. Yes, they steal money. But they’re stealers of dreams and stealers of moments.
Or demand tougher punishment for dopers:
Let’s say someone is working at a bank and they embezzle a bunch of money. The bank says, hey, you embezzled a bunch of money, so we’re going to fire you. You can’t work here anymore. But in, like, five years you can come back. We’re not going to get the money from you. You can keep the money. So you get, like, a five-year vacation. To me, these athletes need to give back the money that they stole from the other athletes and I believe that all the accolades should be erased from that day forward. They should not have any accolades to go with that.
I listened to the clip and didn't hear Cranny say anything about only running for herself. She said she would love to race more but trusts Schumacher's plan for her because she feels he has her best interest in mind and can give her the results that she wants. You make it sound like Cranny is super entitled and doesn't think she owes anything to the fans but that's not how she came across in the interview, so I'm not sure if there were other comments she made that I missed or if you intentionally misrepresented her to get more clicks.
Regardless, BTC's lack of racing is a problem. It's inexcusable for one of the best teams in the world to run a bunch of time trials and largely ignore the international circuit. What other world class team is doing this?
If you believe everyone is doping than why even watch track at all? I HIGHLY recommend hearing Grant Fisher's response to you on this week LRC podcast or the Elise one.
I think everyone on BTC is cheating, not every runner in the sport. One failed test in a team makes the whole team dirty just in cycling.
Cross out "BTC and replace it with "American based distance athletes."
In 2021 - only 18 US/Canadians (both genders) in events 800 and up, scored DL points. The lionshare of these points were at Prefontaine. The only athletes to compete at 3 or more meets were Josette Norris, Kate Grace, Marco Arop, and Hillary Bor. 2/4 didn't make Tokyo and were able to center their post Trials seasons around DL performance. Bor skipped the DL final. Of the other 14 athletes, 5 were BTC athletes.
The fact is, the Diamond League schedule is extremely European centric. Americans have a brutal battle at trials to make teams, and it makes no sense for them to fly trans-Atlantic to race a DL before trials, and post worlds or Olympics a lot of athletes are burnt out and shut down their seasons.
This year will be the same; Pre is May 27th (Eugene) and US Champs June 23-25th (Eugene) 4 Diamond Leagues and 5 WA Gold Level Meets. It makes absolutely zero sense for any US athlete fly to Europe and then back again immediately with spots on the line. Stockholm is the 30th of June, so between US trials and Worlds, so makes no sense for US to do that either unless you missed the team. So that's 4 DLs that are pointless for Stateside athletes, plus the two random ones in China that no one wants to go to, that's 6 pointless DLs from a US point of view.
So say you're a W5000m runner; well unfortunately for you Pre 2022 doesn't have a DL scoring 5000m for women. Post worlds, neither do Monaco or Brussels. So if you want to make Zurich, you have to hope that you absolutely crush Lausanne's 3000m because realistically that's your only logistically feasible shot to qualify.
As it stands, it's a dumb system.
I think you're right, and I'd like to see changes in regulations to something similar to the ATP tennis circuit. Players on the ATP who are eligible have to compete at all Grand Slams and Masters level events, plus a set number of ATP500 and ATP250 events unless injured. Players buy into that as it keeps the sport healthy.
For track and field, I'd change regulations so that athletes had to compete in a specified number of DL and Gold Level meets each season, otherwise they can't go to the World Champs or Olympics. What those numbers should be would need to be determined, and it might require changing the DL calendar, but something needs to be done to get more of the stars racing more often against each other. Again, tennis hasn't suffered because Nadal and Djokovic have played each other so many times at GS and Master's events, instead, it's improved the sport.
this PGA, LPGA,ATP,WTA are high income sports . Who knows how much someone like Kate Pace makes ,or some of the very fast but unknown africans. This would only work if the events pay for travel and living expenses up front .
Name one factual source that proves BTC is on that medication? Until you have definitive proof don't speculate. Furthermore, you are innocent until proven guilty.
Name one factual source that proves BTC is on that medication? Until you have definitive proof don't speculate. Furthermore, you are innocent until proven guilty.
The irony with the "BTC are all taking thyroid boosting meds" argument is that DeBues-Stafford does the exact opposite and is on medication to suppress her thyroid. She's talked about her Graves Disease and how untreated her heart rate clears 200bpm on easy runs and even with medication hits 205 on long runs. She's been open about her condition for a decade now.
In addition to extremely elevated heart rate, hyperthyroidism can result in heat intolerance, dirrhea, fatigue, muscle weakness and reduced bone density, all of which are detrimental to running performance. It would be absolutely counterproductive for a runner with normal thyroid hormone levels to be supplementing with thyroid hormone. Sure you may be able to easily get to "race weight" but you will feel like crap.
So I took the names of people you cited who "race a lot" as well as a handful of 2021 BTC athletes, namely ones that were healthy all year, and ranked them by number of times they raced in 2021. 2021 BTC gang in italics.
In other words, BTC actually races a pretty normal amount. Less than Ingebritsen (16) or McSweyn (20) who are definitely extreme outliers on one end, but more than some too. I think the issue stems from them often being no shows at most of the smaller meets domestically within the USA while also doing their own meets in covid rather than joining in with other clubs. This creates a perception they race less than they do.
Looking at just Fisher's results from 2021, I'd say 5 of the 13 races were basically BTC time trials, and two others were heats (at US champs and Olympics). So we're down to 6 races of any substance
Yeah I forgot they didn't time trial on the DL circuit. You know. Those races with pacers and wavelights that all the non-BTC athletes go to on a regular basis. The races of "substance". And let's not forget their countries trials either. Hell Ethiopia had wavelights for their olympic trials in Hengelo. Yes, races of "substance".
Plus, try planning races around altitude stints. You're not going to maximize stimulus from altitude from traveling and racing every other week and the travel to Europe/Asia and back could take a whole week. Also you have to drop your mileage for USA's since the team is hard to make so if you make it are you going to get in another training block or hop around Europe on terminally tapered legs until World's?
Start a thread about Viren and see how long it takes for blood doping to come up.There's no hard evidence that he did. Start a thread about someone from a group that's had a high profile drug bust and everyone from that group is either supportive of or quiet about that busted athlete and you're going to a thread about doping.
Exactly.
And unlike Viren there is there is stone-cold hard evidence that a BTC runner had banned substances in her blood.
And a coach/team still training with her.
Real anti-coping teams and coaches are clear: "You cheat, you're out."
Not Schumacher, not BTC. "If you're fast, you stay."
Well...
They found the banned substance in her urine, not her blood.
I haven't seen any evidence that the coach/team are still training with her.
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