Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun ownership: Montana ( 66.30%) Wyoming ( 66.20%) Alaska ( 64.50%) Idaho ( 60.10%) West Virginia ( 58.50%) Arkansas ( 57.20%)
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Why am I not surprised that wazzu can’t count to 10.
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If there was a nuclear war, the short term problem would be radiation in the atmosphere. The long term problem would be a sudden drop in temperature and precipitation as smoke/particulates from massive fires gets into the upper atmosphere and spreads around the world. You would want to get as far south as you could and get close to the ocean. Small fish that do not accumulate a lot of radiation in their fat would be the main food source. Sea life may be the best positioned to adapt quickly to rapid cooling in the atmosphere as many species of marine wildlife have been able to migrate in response to climate change. You can use solar desalinization or boiling water and capturing the steam to desalinate to get fresh water when freshwater rivers and streams dry up or are frozen. Precipitation will be minimal but can be captured in rain barrels. Being in TX or Fl will give you a short season for growing crops. If you are much further north, most everything will be permafrost that will not thaw long enough to have a growing season.
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There will be no nuclear war. There will be civil war. As a conservative, I want nothing to do with progressives. At all. They can have Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA and NYC.
They are all yours!!!!!!
Just don't apply those failing progressives policies to the rest of the nation.
If you want to wear 5 masks, take 4 Vax Jabs, lock yourself down, demand that people use your personal pronouns, burn down a local business because some dude with 75 priors gets roughed up by the cops, shoot up on public streets and b*tch, nonstop, about how you need 'free' stuff and your minimum wage raised then STAY in your sh*tty blue state. Be confused about your gender all day long in your run down homeless cesspools you call 'cities'.
That will be the war. Keep your weak and soft blue welfare mooching asses out of our Red States.
i.e. California has 12% of the USA population but 35% of the WELFARE moochers...
"We have so many degrees. We are sooo educated and smart" ~ The Progressives516 -
wazzu1452 wrote:
There will be no nuclear war. There will be civil war. As a conservative, I want nothing to do with progressives. At all. They can have Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA and NYC.They are all yours!!!!!!
Just don't apply those failing progressives policies to the rest of the nation.
If you want to wear 5 masks, take 4 Vax Jabs, lock yourself down, demand that people use your personal pronouns, burn down a local business because some dude with 75 priors gets roughed up by the cops, shoot up on public streets and b*tch, nonstop, about how you need 'free' stuff and your minimum wage raised then STAY in your sh*tty blue state. Be confused about your gender all day long in your run down homeless cesspools you call 'cities'.
That will be the war. Keep your weak and soft blue welfare mooching asses out of our Red States.
i.e. California has 12% of the USA population but 35% of the WELFARE moochers...
"We have so many degrees. We are sooo educated and smart" ~ The ProgressivesIt’s really weird what some of you people think happens in cities.
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wazzu1452 wrote:
Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun ownership: Montana ( 66.30%) Wyoming ( 66.20%) Alaska ( 64.50%) Idaho ( 60.10%) West Virginia ( 58.50%) Arkansas ( 57.20%)
10 states?
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Your "jab" at me is because I only listed the top 5 or so?
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What is a platypus wrote:
If I learned anything from watching Red Dawn(80s version), it would be Colorado.
Actually that was New Mexico.
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The book World War Z seems like a pretty realistic depiction of what it would be like. All the valuable professions (i.e. lawyer, media-moguls, real-estate investors), become the LEAST valuable professions and professions like like carpenters become the most sought after professions -- So I'd probably try to learn a trade as quickly as possible and move to a small population center with mild weather like Napa and practice that trade so I don't have to sell my body as currency. I think we really need to talk about whether this is an Apocyliptic senario (i.e. the sh*ts hitting the fan RIGHT NOW and what do you do), or POST-Apocyliptic senario (i.e. Mad Max/Waterworld).
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wazzu1452 wrote:
There will be no nuclear war. There will be civil war. As a conservative, I want nothing to do with progressives. At all. They can have Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA and NYC.They are all yours!!!!!!
Just don't apply those failing progressives policies to the rest of the nation.
If you want to wear 5 masks, take 4 Vax Jabs, lock yourself down, demand that people use your personal pronouns, burn down a local business because some dude with 75 priors gets roughed up by the cops, shoot up on public streets and b*tch, nonstop, about how you need 'free' stuff and your minimum wage raised then STAY in your sh*tty blue state. Be confused about your gender all day long in your run down homeless cesspools you call 'cities'.
That will be the war. Keep your weak and soft blue welfare mooching asses out of our Red States.
i.e. California has 12% of the USA population but 35% of the WELFARE moochers...
"We have so many degrees. We are sooo educated and smart" ~ The ProgressivesHate to break it to you sweet heart, if you don't have the stomach to wear a mask for a few hours or take a jab then you don't have a chance in hell of winning any civil war. Your type are the softest in American history.
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You are a progressive 'man'
Things you VOTED for last election..
"free" daycare"free" UBI
"free" college loan payoff
"free" reparations
Your average democrat 'man' cannot roll out of bed unless there is an entitlement waiting for him.....
"An individual’s likelihood of being a Democrat decreases with every additional dollar he or she earns. Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans’ favor."110 -
Interesting...Both Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce said there would be a massive earthquake in California followed by a nuclear attack...Cayce recommended Ill. or Indiana or Virginia beach, he said the great lakes would dump into the Mississippi river and cut the nation in half.
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fisky wrote:
When I was in the military, our warfare scenario had Dial-a-Bomb calculators to determine where the fallout of a nuclear blast would be and long it would take to get there. You could actually survive a surface blast a few miles away if you were upwind. Surviving the initial blast or an EMP pulse isn't the real problem.
I've read a lot of apocalypse fiction. A EMP fries all cars less than 30 years old and kills the electric grid for years. Cities without power or transportation would become war zones in 72 hours. Crime would hit much sooner... the first night and the second night for sure. It's one thing to sit and wait for rescue to come to you, but once people realize that there will never be a rescue, things will deteriorate quickly. You don't want to wait around if you live in NYC or a similar area. You need to get out fast. But where will you go? And how will you be met when you get there? Probably with guns and be told to move on NOW.
For those in the country, it's better, but still bleak. The survivors from the cities will forage in wider and wider circles. Every deer, squirrel, raccoon, and mouse will be caught and eaten within two months. If you have a generator, the sound would draw human predators for miles. So would lights at night.
And here's the tragic part that most people don't know, you simply cannot grow enough calories to survive... even if you know how to farm. Raising cattle or sheep will be nearly impossible by yourself because poachers will kill them and kill you if you try to stop them.
Survivors will need to band together in defendable positions where they can fish, raise and defend cattle and sheep, and grow community gardens.
tl;dr
There is no best state when the SHTF. You need to be with the right people in a place where you can defend yourself and forage enough calories to survive. That's probably by the sea or with a small group in a very remote wilderness area.
This entire thread reminds me of The Day After (1983). Reagan toned down his rhetoric after Able Archer 83 and watching that movie. Your post was very sobering.
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wazzu1452 wrote:
There will be no nuclear war. There will be civil war. As a conservative, I want nothing to do with progressives. At all. They can have Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA and NYC.They are all yours!!!!!!
Just don't apply those failing progressives policies to the rest of the nation.
If you want to wear 5 masks, take 4 Vax Jabs, lock yourself down, demand that people use your personal pronouns, burn down a local business because some dude with 75 priors gets roughed up by the cops, shoot up on public streets and b*tch, nonstop, about how you need 'free' stuff and your minimum wage raised then STAY in your sh*tty blue state. Be confused about your gender all day long in your run down homeless cesspools you call 'cities'.
That will be the war. Keep your weak and soft blue welfare mooching asses out of our Red States.
i.e. California has 12% of the USA population but 35% of the WELFARE moochers...
"We have so many degrees. We are sooo educated and smart" ~ The ProgressivesI don't think there will be a nuc war but a civil war seems a possibility years down the road.
Bud MacFarlane is a great author. He's a Christian who wrote against this in his book "House of Gold", involving a Y2K/Civil War crisis, and predicted that supply chains would dwindle incredibly fast. And this was in 2000, before tech (other than the internet) took over.
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runnerboy70 wrote:
Interesting...Both Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce said there would be a massive earthquake in California followed by a nuclear attack...Cayce recommended Ill. or Indiana or Virginia beach, he said the great lakes would dump into the Mississippi river and cut the nation in half.
Scallion believed that a pole shift would stem from global warming, nuclear activity, and the misuse of technology. Another theorist and psychic Edgar Cayce predicted a 16 to 20 degree shift, while Scallion predicted a 20-45 degree shift. Cayce predicted that when both Mt. Etna volcano in Italy and Mt. Pelee in Martinique erupt together, there will be approximately 90 days to evacuate the west coast before the massive flood claims the coastline.
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fisky wrote: One Second After is one of the better EMP apocalypse book I've read. Both of these scenarios occur. The sequels to this book are also good, but they are post-apocalypse books dealing with power struggles among the survivors.
Another excellent EMP novel is Richard Cox's "House of the Rising Sun."
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Red States are getting redder. Blue states are getting bluer. If Row get's overturned, you will have further division and people moving to places that hold their values.
Again, I don't wish progressives any harm. I just have ZERO in common with them. Nothing.
So I would prefer to live amongst people who share my values.
Which I moved from Seattle to Idaho.34 -
In the case of a full blown nuclear war, Colorado is one of the worst places you could be, because it will get absolutely hammered like nowhere else due to the presence of our biggest known nuclear warfare installation, Cheyenne Mountain
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wazzu1452 wrote:
Red States are getting redder. Blue states are getting bluer. If Row get's overturned, you will have further division and people moving to places that hold their values.
Again, I don't wish progressives any harm. I just have ZERO in common with them. Nothing.
So I would prefer to live amongst people who share my values.
Which I moved from Seattle to Idaho.
Agree with this, I live in Ohio and as a moderate R, it's definitely interesting.
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Beer Mile Hobby Jogger wrote:
Talking Delta Junction and surrounding area.
Interesting. Thanks for the reply. I’ve used that gas station in Delta Junction quite a few times on the Richardson on the way to the border from Fairbanks.
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