Coffee Club breaks the news that Shelby has followed BTC to train in Flag….

JBaller33 wrote:

I actually care for the rest of BTC if Shelby is somehow training with them. Each individual athlete can be suspended for 1 year if they have an association with her (although, as someone posted earlier, what kind of association is vague). This could literally suspend most of the talented US women’s distance runners in one swoop if they’re not careful, so that’s why I care, although I am starting to think that all those who remain at BTC are doping too.

Per the rules of her ban:

"Not allowed to take part in activities/practices organized by member federations or affiliated clubs eg BTC. Can't use facilities or funds of member federations or affiliated teams."

It appears she is still getting formal coaching from BTC, but this could be inaccurate.

Meeting up with your buddies for a run is considered "organized", hence her not running with them.

Unclear if she is using BTC facilities.

Unclear what her contact details are. Is she paid through BTC or Nike. This might create more grey area.

What seems obvious to me is that BTC is doing these things openly and perhaps they have had legal guidance as to what is or isn't going to be allowed. As in, they were given the green light by USADA to continue certain "practices".

oh no here we go wrote:

Did I miss a thread on this or do people not care?

Honestly enjoy listening to the boys wildly speculate on things, but especially this.

Is she being coached, is she working out right after them or is she just doing her own thing?

BIG gray area and lots of room for people to get into trouble

Why would SH "poke the bear"? Why would BTC "poke the bear? Jerry needs to keep his athletes as far from SH as possible. There's absolutely no reason she should be anywhere near the club and its members...or any other club for that matter. Why create a "Risk" for the other athletes? If I'm a BTC athlete I'm staying wide and clear.

Hey Jerry- Boy!!!....

"Perception is greater than truth".

No!! some of them are friends .. they are just being loyal - if she is guilty or not is irrelevant to there loyalty .

Yes. Most criminals have their friends and family continue to support them. And she didn't exactly rob someone at gunpoint.

Aouita 84 wrote:

oh no here we go wrote:

Did I miss a thread on this or do people not care?

Honestly enjoy listening to the boys wildly speculate on things, but especially this.

Is she being coached, is she working out right after them or is she just doing her own thing?

BIG gray area and lots of room for people to get into trouble

Why would SH "poke the bear"? Why would BTC "poke the bear? Jerry needs to keep his athletes as far from SH as possible. There's absolutely no reason she should be anywhere near the club and its members...or any other club for that matter. Why create a "Risk" for the other athletes? If I'm a BTC athlete I'm staying wide and clear.

Hey Jerry- Boy!!!....

"Perception is greater than truth".

wasn't there a lot of speculation about Aouita being suspect in his career when testing was very weak . If "perception is greater than truth " I'd suggest you change your username :)

begone now wrote:

Yes. Most criminals have their friends and family continue to support them. And she didn't exactly rob someone at gunpoint.

Right, she robbed them at needlepoint. I don't know what to say about people who want to be friends with a lying cheat. It's still a choice.

begone now wrote:

Yes. Most criminals have their friends and family continue to support them. And she didn't exactly rob someone at gunpoint.

exactly . a fair weather friend was never a friend in the first place .

I made at least one thread on this and called the BroJo's and the thread got deleted....imagine from a Portland IP address.

Isn't it prohibited to train with banned athletes?

The fact these people still associate with her, or even with Nike, speaks to their standards.

nothing new here wrote:

Isn't it prohibited to train with banned athletes?

The fact these people still associate with her, or even with Nike, speaks to their standards.

Yep, when I find out a friend lies to help themselves and doesn't care if they hurt others, like cheating on their S.O., I'm not seeing good reason to continue being their friend. At some point it becomes about self-respect and surrounding yourself with value and integrity.

This thread disgusts me.

She's banned from the sport for 4 years. She already missed the Olympics.

Why is everyone so angry? I don't get why people are mad that she's still friends with her BTC teammates and still training. I commend her for it and commend them for still being friends with her. Let's assume she did dope intentionally, you don't drop someone as a friend simply because they got caught doing something wrong. Who needs friends if they are only there for you when everything is going well?

She needs true friends now more than ever - whether she doped or not.

And from a mental health perspective, she probably needs exercise now more than ever. When I was college, the only time I was 'down' was when I was hurt and not running.

What's your point? Ajee Wilson set an American record with PEDs in her system.

I personally don't understand why WADA cares about who you are training with while banned. The ban is for a set period of time. If you aren't allowed to train during that time, then your ban ends up really being longer than that. I think she should be allowed to train during her ban and train with whatever team she wants (2 months at the end of your ban isn't enough).

But can someone tell me how the ban works logistically? What in the code prevents Jerry from coaching her? I know you can't as an athlete be coached by a coach under a ban but is the reverse true? She can have a private coach, right? I'm pretty damn sure I could coach here. So why does it matter if it's him or me?

Could I have her run time trials broadcast on LetsRun.com? Maybe I should do it just to piss all of you sanctimonious aholes off. I've always said if I was her I'd have myself drug tested every single day, continue to train and then runs 3:55 to prove to people I did it clean. I think that should 100% be allowed.

Why in the hell do you care what she's doing with her life right now as long as she's not running in pro track meets?

-Rojo

PS. Personally, whether she doped intentionally or not, I think her ban as well as everyone else banned in 2021 should 100% be reduced to 3 years. A ban is supposed to mean 1 Olympic cycle missed. You shouldn't miss 2 Olympics due to a single drug ban.

She was in Phoenix at the GCU Track on Friday while the women were working out

I am not angry.

I am not mad either. And I have no problem with her having friends and still training.

But I do think this doper, and her previous teammates and coaches need to follow the code. Read 10.14 of the WA Anti-Doping Rules "Status during Ineligibility or Provisional Suspension".

For your convenience:

Language, sir.

And of course, this doper would never agree to get tested that often.

But sure, broadcast along.

nothing new here wrote:

Isn't it prohibited to train with banned athletes?

The fact these people still associate with her, or even with Nike, speaks to their standards.

I don’t think it is banned to train with banned athletes nor visa versa unless organised by a club.

Enemy of the Podcast wrote:

begone now wrote:

Yes. Most criminals have their friends and family continue to support them. And she didn't exactly rob someone at gunpoint.

Right, she robbed them at needlepoint. I don't know what to say about people who want to be friends with a lying cheat. It's still a choice.

Perhaps they think she did not cheat.

Rojo I don't disagree with everything you said.

But let's be real. If this was Galen rupp you'd feel differently.

Also your writing kind of has a feeling of "something bad happened to her her friends should stick by her side." But if the doping case is true. It didn't happen to her, she chose to do it and steal an absurd amount of money from her competitors. People to to jail for far less. Athletics punishments are far more lenient.

I do kind of agree with sticking by your friends even if they make mistakes. Doping is pretty egregious though. Not sure how I'd handle a friend who did that tbh.

Honestly I just want Shelby and BTC to follow the rules clearly. If they want the presumption of the "clean" team, I want them to follow the rules by the book and not go the whole Alberto gray area way.

For e.g. so she coincidentally is there 30 minutes later doing th same workout? No. More likely she at best is getting it indirectly from Jerry via a BTC associated person...

But how is "organized" defined? Or, affiliated with...?

If it's said... Ok we work out now and you come 30 minutes later and do the same exact workout. To me, that's organized.

And where did that workout come from? Jerry to his athletes.

Someone told her what to do....right?

C'mon this isn't rocket science

rojo wrote:

Could I have her run time trials broadcast on LetsRun.com? Maybe I should do it just to piss all of you sanctimonious aholes off. I've always said if I was her I'd have myself drug tested every single day, continue to train and then runs 3:55 to prove to people I did it clean. I think that should 100% be allowed.

Do it. It would be controversial and bring eyeballs and best of all, it would force some clarity on the verbiage that we're all trying to interpret. Have you reached out to her?

We’re just having a conversation, Rojo. Just like runners do when they are with their buddies on a Sunday morning.

Seriously, if Salazar was spotted roaming the parking lot next to the track where Rupp was training or just casually encountering Hasay at a Beaverton Starbucks five days a week and having a 45 minute conversation about running, you would be working furiously to confirm and break the story. You would even black page it with a huge headline to celebrate that you caught him.