Bold opinion - if Athing Mu wanted to she would demolish the 1500m American record and easily beat every American runner

Every American runner, how about every runner period.

Ever heard of Jim Ryun.

She is as likely to feature in the 1500/mile as much as Rudisha has, who she most resembles amongst female athletes.

Whonose wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

Mu is 19 years old and has already run 49.57. Semenya is 31 and will not better her lifetime best in the 400. And no, a 3:59 1500m PR is not world class...especially for someone who has so many male hormones. Keep trying though.

A 3:59 1500m is world class for runners in the female category. All you do is lie about the pandemic and track apparently. You have been OWNED punk.

No. 3:59 is not world class for females, never mind people like Caster Semenya who is more than a female. Fourteen women ran under 4:00 in 2021 alone. How many active runners have PRs under 4:00? 25? More? Semeya's overall 1500m PR is more than 8 secs behind the 2021 world leader

Meanwhile Athing MU, an 800 specialist, was 6th fastest woman in the world in 2021 at age 19, less than .4 seconds out of second place

World class 400m/800m runners cannot run a world class mile. Not possible. Only possible exception was Juantorena and some highly drugged women and some women with lots of male hormones. Athing is not in any of these categories.

See. That's how you build a case based in facts and logical argument. Not childish ad hominems

15 men ran 3:31 or faster. If 15th isn't world class, what is? 3:29 for men and 3:57 for women?

Armstronglivs wrote:

She is as likely to feature in the 1500/mile as much as Rudisha has, who she most resembles amongst female athletes.

Athing Mu, no doubt would have made it to Olympic 400m final. Are you getting your Rudishas correct? Are you thinking about the late Daniel Rudisha? Athing Mu reminds me of some of the former East German 800m runners: Anita Weiss, Sigrund Wodards or Christine Wachtel and maybe ... Jarmila Kratochvilova (not East German).

ck3237 wrote:

Ever heard of Jim Ryun.

Pretty sure Ryun was not a world class 400m runner

big bop wrote:

15 men ran 3:31 or faster. If 15th isn't world class, what is? 3:29 for men and 3:57 for women?

3:31 is less than 3 secs behind the 2021 world leader and 5 secs behind the world record.

Semenya's PR is 8 seconds behind the world leader and 9 secs behind the world record.

Big difference.

carmine9 wrote:

big bop wrote:

15 men ran 3:31 or faster. If 15th isn't world class, what is? 3:29 for men and 3:57 for women?

3:31 is less than 3 secs behind the 2021 world leader and 5 secs behind the world record.

Semenya's PR is 8 seconds behind the world leader and 9 secs behind the world record.

Big difference.

You are just such an ignorant tool. Semenya’s 49.62 in 2018 made her the 4th fastest woman and her 3:59 made her the 9th fastest 1500m performer in 2018.

She was WORLD CLASS in both along with having the 4 fastest 800m times that year. You lose again!

No. That isn't how groups work. There is always a larger gap from 1st to x for women but the number of athletes is how the grouping works. National qualifying for NCAA women has a bigger gap than for men but all are qualifiers. World class is a number, not distance from 1st. Imagine if a woman cam along and set the record by 10 seconds, that doesn't make her the only world class runner.

Mu is more like Juantorena (400m - 44.26, 800m - 1:43.50, 1500m - 3:45.5).

Juantorena used to be a 400m runner, then moved up to 800m for Montreal Olympic Games, where he won gold in both the 800m and 400m.

Mu most likely would have placed 2nd in 400m in Japan.

600yd/600m man wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

She is as likely to feature in the 1500/mile as much as Rudisha has, who she most resembles amongst female athletes.

Athing Mu, no doubt would have made it to Olympic 400m final. Are you getting your Rudishas correct? Are you thinking about the late Daniel Rudisha? Athing Mu reminds me of some of the former East German 800m runners: Anita Weiss, Sigrund Wodards or Christine Wachtel and maybe ... Jarmila Kratochvilova (not East German).

David Rudisha has run in the region of 45s for the 400 - so he was pretty fast although not as good relative to Mu over that distance. But even though he is still clearly better than her over the 800 they are both essentially specialists over that distance. The 1500/mile is not part of that specialty for either. It doesn't detract from their achievements.

Are you dumb? You’re missing the part OP said “If Athing WANTED to, she could. She’s clearly talented enough that if she trained as a miler, she would be elite. We know she would have to sacrifice another event which she won’t do. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. You just like to hear yourself talk lol

No I'm not dumb...

But sorry to find out that you are practically retarded!

AND THE FACT THAT OP SAID OBLITERATED AND ACTED LIKE NO OTHER GIRL WOULD HAVE A ACHANCE AGAINST SOMEONE WHO HAS.. Shown no exceptional ability at 1500m...doesn't stand Out as arrogant and unrealistic, to your exceptional reading comprehension?

If she's so great why didn't she set more records in high school? Why doesn't she have more records already? She doesn't have any other record besides the American 800.

But she could without a doubt obliterated the American 1500m record?

And no other woman could potentially do better. She's the greatest and everybody else sucks is what Opie is saying!

But of course with your great reading comprehension you're too Dopey to realize that....

the fact that she couldn't even win in college indoors, and couldn't double Outdoors.... but yet she's so great that she can just at a whim decide to obliterate American records for events that she hasn't shown she is world class at.... glad she is being nice and throwing a bone to other Runners and not taking every record for herself

So the only reason she hasn't done it is because she's too lazy? It's not worthwhile? Why doesn't she have all these records yet if it's so easy?

Whonose wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

3:31 is less than 3 secs behind the 2021 world leader and 5 secs behind the world record.

Semenya's PR is 8 seconds behind the world leader and 9 secs behind the world record.

Big difference.

You are just such an ignorant tool. Semenya’s 49.62 in 2018 made her the 4th fastest woman and her 3:59 made her the 9th fastest 1500m performer in 2018.

She was WORLD CLASS in both along with having the 4 fastest 800m times that year. You lose again!

Let me know when Mu runs that world class mile.

Ain't gonna happen

Dude what's wrong with u... OP said demolish , and easily beat all other runners in an event that's she's never excelled at... it's just dumb and arrogant... and it's just not even interesting... u can make the argument for any world leader

Carl Lewis, Usain bolt, Michael johnson, MO farrah... why don't we just say they could all go up a distance and destroy the competition... what's interesting or intelligent about it...

And the truth is its not that easy... and it's usually not worth trying...

Anyway... I'm out a this thread.. hate to see people wasting what brains they got on nonsense... shouldn't u be praying to flags or imaginary friends,?

Correct. She has not run a fast 1500 because she is lazy. She could if she trained for it but she has a sprinter mentality of doing the least work possible. Her accomplishments have all come from pure talent. If she had a mentality like Tuohy, she would have run sub 4 already.

carmine9 wrote:

Whonose wrote:

You are just such an ignorant tool. Semenya’s 49.62 in 2018 made her the 4th fastest woman and her 3:59 made her the 9th fastest 1500m performer in 2018.

She was WORLD CLASS in both along with having the 4 fastest 800m times that year. You lose again!

Let me know when Mu runs that world class mile.

Ain't gonna happen

I never argued that Mu would run a world class mile. Maybe reading comprehension is not your strength.

I agree. It should be very easy for her. She can race 700 more meters with little more mileage.