What is your problem, Oozma??
What is your problem, Oozma??
mclovin96 wrote:
He literally said "at least one gold medal" not two or more.
You try to argue with one of the biggest idiots of this board - which really means a lot.
abcrunning wrote:
Of course they dope and they run in bouncy tracks and also with shoes that return back energy. Likely at least 1-1.5 sec advantage per lap than great El G.
El G in the late 90’s was capable of 3:24 with today’s shoe technology and bouncy fast tracks he could probably run 3:20-3:21.
And Herb Elliott, Ryun, Ovet, Coe, Cram were good for 3:15 with full throttle 90's EPO doping since mid teens, and bouncy modern shoes and tracks.
Whether or not Jakob dopes or not, there is no way he could be taking anything approaching what El G and the rest were on in the 90's. Even Kiprop couldn't have been doping like that.
Coevett wrote:
Whether or not Jakob dopes or not, there is no way he could be taking anything approaching what El G and the rest were on in the 90's. Even Kiprop couldn't have been doping like that.
Strangely, I agree with you.
But then again, the super shoes may make up for that.
casual obsever wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Whether or not Jakob dopes or not, there is no way he could be taking anything approaching what El G and the rest were on in the 90's. Even Kiprop couldn't have been doping like that.
Strangely, I agree with you.
But then again, the super shoes may make up for that.
I doubt it. The EPO era was a carnival for endurance athletes. I'm torn on the benefits of the track super shoes mainly because no one has produced any data and at the top end, times aren't historically fast over the 1500. I listen to people like Nick Willis say they are beneficial ,I'd just like to see some real data. But EPO, we know that stuff works like nothing else
runner69 wrote:
JBaller33 wrote:
Bernard Lagat tested positive for EPO, but the B sample came back negative. That's not quite fire, but that's a lot of smoke and there was certainly a lot of smoke about him being on HGH too in addition to EPO.
His samples were mishandled and not just that, his A sample that was flagged as positive was determined on re-examination to not have been positive in the first place because the lab read the lines wrong. He did not get off on just a technicality (B sample negative) - he was exonerated - both A and B sample negative. Testing procedures were changed and improved from what they learned in his case.
http://web.archive.org/web/20120515065402/https://www.letsrun.com/2003/lagatfull.doc
A 1.46 runner over 800m doesn't run the equivalent of two 1.51x's without being doped.
8877663er wrote:
What is your problem, Oozma??
People, stop replying to him. Simple as.
Coevett wrote:
Whether or not Jakob dopes or not, there is no way he could be taking anything approaching what El G and the rest were on in the 90's. Even Kiprop couldn't have been doping like that.
I really want to know your view in 10 years.
They can lean with 180o according to circumstances...
the beagle wrote:
Lets Run Snobs Have No Self Awareness.. wrote:
When Tim was Jakob's age he was running 3:39.
3:31. How could you be so far off?
That's a Coevettian-level error/lie.
danke shane wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
I would like to think Lagat is clean, but watching some of his races as a young man at WSU it’s hard not to wonder how that guy ever got to be the 3:26/7:29/12:53, many time medalist and world champion that he became. I would be interested to hear what Lagat credits for his improvement. Working on form? Did he have injuries when younger? Did his training change?
Most talented runner ever ...
More talented than Bolt, Bekele? No way in hell.
Wise Old Man wrote:
You agree a 1500 wr in 2022 is very unlikely. Which of the major outdoor records 800-marathon is most likely to fall in 2022? The current talent pool in the 5K, 10K, half is the best ever. 800/1500/3000 are safe. 5K/10K/half may well be lowered again this year, marathon likely safe, but not as much as the shorter distances.
800 feels very unlikely. A 1:41 is possible always from Amos, Korir and Brazier. Not sure anyone else can break 1:42 amongst the second group of Murphy, Rotich, Hoppel, Arop, Bol et atl.
3000, I'm not so sure is safe. A bunch of the A- talents (Katir, Kejelcha, Wale) ran 7:24.9-7:26 last year, and some with major neg splits. What happens if the A+ talents (Jakob, Barega, Cheptegei, Kiplimo) go for it on their best day? Could be pretty close, though I fear Jakob is the only one with enough speed to get the record. Maybe not this year, but we'll see.
5,000-10,000. I agree it's possible, but with championships around who knows if any athlete will get as good a spot to set the records as Cheptegei got. There're numerous guys with the ability to at least be within 5-10 seconds however.
Marathon looks to be unlikely unless there is a a major attempt made in Berlin or Valencia.
okcorralleye wrote:
Depends how fast Stewy McSweyn goes out
I mean we laugh at this but 800m Olympic Champ Williams Tanui paced El Guerrouj in the mile WR. The 1500m WR was paced by future Olympic champ Noah Ngeny before he had fully reached that level. Would be interesting who will be the second pacer for any attempt in Monaco. It could be Rongai's recent 1500m World Junior Champ Vincent Kibet Keter who looks like a future star.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
You agree a 1500 wr in 2022 is very unlikely. Which of the major outdoor records 800-marathon is most likely to fall in 2022? The current talent pool in the 5K, 10K, half is the best ever. 800/1500/3000 are safe. 5K/10K/half may well be lowered again this year, marathon likely safe, but not as much as the shorter distances.
800 feels very unlikely. A 1:41 is possible always from Amos, Korir and Brazier. Not sure anyone else can break 1:42 amongst the second group of Murphy, Rotich, Hoppel, Arop, Bol et atl.
3000, I'm not so sure is safe. A bunch of the A- talents (Katir, Kejelcha, Wale) ran 7:24.9-7:26 last year, and some with major neg splits. What happens if the A+ talents (Jakob, Barega, Cheptegei, Kiplimo) go for it on their best day? Could be pretty close, though I fear Jakob is the only one with enough speed to get the record. Maybe not this year, but we'll see.
5,000-10,000. I agree it's possible, but with championships around who knows if any athlete will get as good a spot to set the records as Cheptegei got. There're numerous guys with the ability to at least be within 5-10 seconds however.
Marathon looks to be unlikely unless there is a a major attempt made in Berlin or Valencia.
Can't agree with your 800 take. None of those guys has 1:41 in them, especially Korir, a good racer but he'll do well to even hit 1:43. Same for the other guys you put as 1:42 possibilities.
Do you really think anyone is running 7:20 for 3,000m any time soon? Again, I can't see it at all. Granted that it isn't run that often, but even greats like Geb and Bekele didn't get within 4 seconds of it and none of the current stars are in Bekele's class. Maybe a prime Mo Farah had the right combination of 1500 speed and 10,000 strength to go for it, but even then, I doubt it (not that he'd have had the motivation anyway). Komen's 7:20 is untouchable.
2:44.79.
That's what it'll take at 1200m in an even-split race.
1:49.86
That's what they'll have to hurt at through the 8.
41.20
That's what they'll need to close in after hitting the wall.
40.82 is what Ingebrigtsen closed in Tokyo off of a 1:52.0 opener.
3:25.99 isn't happening. I'll believe it when they spend it (and can maintain it) on the track. Nothing pointing that way. Yet.
High hopes wrote:
Can't agree with your 800 take. None of those guys has 1:41 in them, especially Korir, a good racer but he'll do well to even hit 1:43. Same for the other guys you put as 1:42 possibilities.
Do you really think anyone is running 7:20 for 3,000m any time soon? Again, I can't see it at all. Granted that it isn't run that often, but even greats like Geb and Bekele didn't get within 4 seconds of it and none of the current stars are in Bekele's class. Maybe a prime Mo Farah had the right combination of 1500 speed and 10,000 strength to go for it, but even then, I doubt it (not that he'd have had the motivation anyway). Komen's 7:20 is untouchable.
You realize Korir has run 1:42.05? He also has 44-mid speed. He'll do well to hit 1:43? He ran 1:43.04 last year and hadn't hit his top form yet. Not sure if you're thinking of someone else, but if he's going for time he can run very fast.
Geb or Bekele are better relative to their eras, but the fact is Cheptegei has smoked their 5/10K times. Jakob is faster at 1500 and ran 12:48 which is getting to pretty competitive territory with them. The spikes, wavelight and faster tracks give an advantage here. You need sub 3:31 speed and 12:40 ability, and the A+ talents like Jakob have this ability. You say it's untouchable but Wale running 7:24.9 is only 4 seconds away and he's on nobody's shortlist for best 3,000m runner in the world. Katir, Jakob, Kejelcha and Barega can all run faster in the right race on their best day.
Cheptegai 6 seconds faster than Bekele over 10,000, does not equal 'smoked'.
No, I just don't think Korir can time trial and lacks consistency. If he got into a race with Brazier or Amos going all out then he can hang with them, but I can't see any of them going close to Rudisha's record.
I think you're being very bullish on the 7:20. Bekele is the greatest talent distance running has seen and couldn't get near 7:20. Cheptegei went for the 3k record last year and fell to pieces, it's generous to even call it a record attempt. Even the second fastest time in history is 3 seconds away, which is a pretty huge gap over 3k. Just watching the wavelight during that Cheptegei attempt made my legs fill with lactic, it's ridiculously fast
Cheruiyot yes, Ingebrigtsen no.
Cheruiyot needs to be completely healthy and have appropiate pacing / wavelight.
Ingebrigtsen would have to improve at least 1 second in the 800m to have a shot. But since he's messing around with 5k and 10k XC, I highly doubt he will improve on his speed.
Well...they were thought to be near-unbeatable marks and were beaten handily even with the conditions in the 5000 (in particular) not close to ideal -79 degrees, 69 degrees dew point.
For the 10,000 he ran solo for 4,800 meters.