Fauci says nearly everyone will get Omicron - Pandemic of vaxxed/unvaxxed

What would have saved the world is fat people closing their mouths. Vietnam has the lowest BMI in the world. Their population is almost 100 million people and they have had only 35k deaths. That would be equivalent of 130k deaths in US. We are literally killing ourselves. Hard to convince me I need to wear a mask or get vaccinated for a bunch of people unwilling to do anything for themselves.

Absolutely right it is impossible to stop at this point but the theater continues of mask wearing etc.

Delta was in existence before the vaccine.

I had to point out to someone covid has been infecting all sorts of mammalians. Amazingly they aren't all dying off in mass. This tells me one of two things are occurring this was engineered for humans or all the vulnerable animals are dead already due to natural selection.

Old_Dead_People wrote:

What would have saved the world is fat people closing their mouths. Vietnam has the lowest BMI in the world. Their population is almost 100 million people and they have had only 35k deaths. That would be equivalent of 130k deaths in US. We are literally killing ourselves. Hard to convince me I need to wear a mask or get vaccinated for a bunch of people unwilling to do anything for themselves.

Wow!...only 35k deaths in a country of 100 million? That's a crazy stat! Yes...America is very fat - I believe we have the highest obesity rate of any country in the world?

How are you going change the behavior of obese/overweight Americans when its so easy (and tasty) these days to eat nothing but readily available junk food & easy to have a sedentary lifestyle? Also, I think society is more accepting of obese/overweight people more now than at any other time before.

Heavy is in - we'll just have accept it & move on.

Vaccines are proving to be all but useless in preventing transmission of Xi variant. Just look at the infection rates and the vaccine rates in the states and countries that are blowing up with case counts.

Using your analogy this is like mandating people driving cars to wear helmets because they help motorcyclist. Same thing requiring vaccines and masks in the healthy and young.

If we are going to accept it and move on I'm fine just don't mandate crap on me. As a primary care provider I've seen people succeed with weight loss but most don't take it seriously. Calorie counting works. I joke there were no fatties in Auschwitz. Maybe we need to be like Ronaldo and say no to Coke and Pepsi. We could treat them like tobacco. I still vote for personal responsibility and personal consequences.

And remember the deaths are over a 2 year period that would be around 65 k deaths a year in the US which is on par with flu deaths. This pandemic ain't no thing. Dems will have to backpedal quickly or inflation etc will kill their reelection chances and a politician loves nothing more than power. Already the AP is telling reports to steer away from case counts in their reporting.

Fauci in the article says once again that people who are vaccinated and/or boosted are much, much less likely to be hospitalized or die from Omicron. It is not that people are not dying from it. There were 2300-2400 dead from it yesterday, 8 times the # pre-Delta.

Old_Dead_People wrote:

If we are going to accept it and move on I'm fine just don't mandate crap on me. As a primary care provider I've seen people succeed with weight loss but most don't take it seriously. Calorie counting works. I joke there were no fatties in Auschwitz. Maybe we need to be like Ronaldo and say no to Coke and Pepsi. We could treat them like tobacco. I still vote for personal responsibility and personal consequences.

And remember the deaths are over a 2 year period that would be around 65 k deaths a year in the US which is on par with flu deaths. This pandemic ain't no thing. Dems will have to backpedal quickly or inflation etc will kill their reelection chances and a politician loves nothing more than power. Already the AP is telling reports to steer away from case counts in their reporting.

What are you talking about? The deaths are about 880,000 over 1 year and 10 months. Currently, deaths are over 2,000 per day. At this rate, we'll be at about 900,000 (450,000 per year or almost 8 times the worst flu death toll in 54 years) after two years from the beginning of significant numbers of deaths in mid to late March. My guess is that we're going to continue to see the daily death toll rise for some weeks as the enormous #'s of hospitalizations (152,000 most recently, a record figure by 22k over earlier surges) leads to more than 3,000 deaths per day. We're at 2400 already, so not that much higher would get us there. Then hopefully, it'll recede to the December totals and then fall below 1,000 again per day in March. Of course, new variants could well change the picture for the worse once again. Or, we could see an end to the pandemic as everyone gets it and it is not supplanted by a more virulent strain.

Vietnam's had a much lower death toll due to COVID because of several factors, not just weight. First, the population is younger. Second, it is thinner. Third, it was probably already exposed more to types of SARS viruses, like much of East Asia. Fourth, and most importantly, Vietnam took steps to keep the virus mostly out of the country and under control in the country.

real data wrote:

Rational people everywhere wrote:

You whine about "BS nonsense" and then claim 1825 people "of" Covid every day...

Good lord...people are STILL using that tired old argument? You people have been shown wrong a million times....and you're claiming other people have small brains?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Surely you know by now that antivaxxers don't care about facts if it undermines their deranged worldview.

zvcxzcvx wrote:

Fauci in the article says once again that people who are vaccinated and/or boosted are much, much less likely to be hospitalized or die from Omicron. It is not that people are not dying from it. There were 2300-2400 dead from it yesterday, 8 times the # pre-Delta.

Are all those deaths coming from Omicron? So...what is now? Have we all been lied to & Omicron is as bad as Delta if not worse?

When you understand what he says, Fauci has been right all along.

His only mistake was to make Trump look stupid.

Koko the Gorilla wrote:

We're winning the COVID debate. The health bureaucracy (CDC, FDA, and whatever Fauci is) is finally admitting masks don't work, vaccines don't prevent the spread, people are in the hospital "with" not "because of" COVID, the quarantine guidelines are outdated, etc. Keep pushing, we have almost won this debate once and for all.

Who is admitting what? What debate?

Masks still work. They were never sold as 100% effective.

How well it works, and who it protects, depends on the mask, and compliance.

Initial simulations before the contagious variants showed that 80% compliance of 60% effective masks was sufficient to bring the R0 factor below 1 -- i.e. contain the spread.

Vaccines trigger your immune system. This still works even with Omicron.

Many people are sick, and dying, "because of" COVID, either directly or indirectly.

More people have died directly "because of" "this debate" that you want to win.

Let's really tell it like it is wrote:

zvcxzcvx wrote:

Fauci in the article says once again that people who are vaccinated and/or boosted are much, much less likely to be hospitalized or die from Omicron. It is not that people are not dying from it. There were 2300-2400 dead from it yesterday, 8 times the # pre-Delta.

Are all those deaths coming from Omicron? So...what is now? Have we all been lied to & Omicron is as bad as Delta if not worse?

It's not that "we all been lied to", but that many often didn't understand, or worse, misrepresented, what "we all been" told. It is true that many were lied to, but simply don't realize who is lying to them.

Here, for example, you are mixing up relative likeliness with absolute counts.

Less severity means lower need for hospitalisation, ICU, and death "rates", relative to infection rates.

But infection rates are absolutely higher when a virus is more contagious. Infection rates are exponential.

Both UK and Ontario recent reports - based on real data of 10s-100s of thousands of cases - show that a vaccination boost still provides effective protection against Omicron with respect to severe disease and death, even if the boosted can get infected.

Here, for example, is the protection provided in Ontario for 2-doses since Aug-2021. The unvaccinated are at 0%:

https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/2022-01-10-Protection-Against-Infection-Hospital-and-ICU-Admission-with-2-Vaccine-Doses.png

Well, everyone gets a cold, so why would this be any different?

Abbot and Costello wrote:

Well, everyone gets a cold, so why would this be any different?

Omicron is extremely transmissable and everyone is getting it, jabbed or not. And soon.

It's symptoms are those of the common cold.

And it will confer natural immunity.

This signals the end of the pandemic.

The fear mongers are desperate to keep the fear going.

Why are there mask mandates if we are all going to get covid anyway?

I love your second point on Vietnam being 'thinner.' How do you define obesity...? HAHAHA

You are right there are multiple factors but obesity is by far one of the most impactful. Average age in Vietnam is 32.5 US is 38. So yes impactful but with a obese rate of 2-3% compared the the US of 42% I'll let you make your own conclusions.

Jiminycricket wrote:

Why are there mask mandates if we are all going to get covid anyway?

Same reason there are vaccine passports and mandates. And lockdowns.

It's not about our health. It's about a power grab by the Oligarchs.

Good bye to our remaining rights