maaaaaybe... wrote:
No problem, I'm from Spain : )
Great!!! Someone here who may have insight.
Do you know if Katir has been with the same coach for the past 5 years?
He enjoyed uninterrupted, continuous progress during that period.
He also seems to be following a consistent program. We see an indoor 3000m PB from him every January. He has run the New Year 10K every year for the past 3 years (at least)…
Kobbs Hessler wrote:
Katir is the most obvious doper in elite running today.
Agree wholeheartedly with this statement.
Open your eyes people. Meteoric jumps is an easy puzzle to solve.
I was going to post his training, but the horrible postings changed my mind.
our Army wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
"Agnostic" in this context is an example of a sophisticated use of English. You are apparently not sophisticated.
And pointing on this is important for you exactly why?
Because the previous poster made an issue of how the word was being used, as though there was something irregular about it. There isn't.
The posted workout (sweat elite?) showed him doing 20x300 on indeterminate rest in about 41-42. That is a lot of work at close to 1500m pr pace in December(?).
It was with substantial rest…I think 90 seconds iirc. Not too unusual a workout for a guy trying to keep up his speed at all times of the year.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
It was with substantial rest…I think 90 seconds iirc. Not too unusual a workout for a guy trying to keep up his speed at all times of the year.
Ok, we are now giving our “opinions/feelings” on the workouts that he should/should not be doing
His coach seems to be doing ok with him. Maybe he should continue with his program.
Could of just said unsure but yeah let’s go with agnostic lol. Stupid.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Indoor world records are a mechanically-assisted joke, all in the track design. 3000m is arguably faster indoors than out, if it were ran as often.
Katir is great but there's a huge red flag in that he never looks relaxed. Always gritting his teeth making a huge effort, running as fast as he can. Peak is 1 second better max at 1500.
Actually, if anything, gritting his teeth, especially from the beginning of a race, is something that does not favor the doping argument. Dopers supposedly have an association of looking too relaxed even after a huge effort such as breaking a WR.
Well happy to share what I know about him, but note that although I do follow the sport, I'm not in contact with elite athletes nor I know people from the t&f world. So take what I say with a grain of salt : )
To answer your question, he hasn't. He's been with his current coach (Gabi Lorente) for two years more or less, maybe a little bit more. After he ran 3.38 or 36 I don't remember, Katir contacted him and told him that he would like to work with him. Then they started to work together.
An interesting thing is that his coach is very young and quite new to professional-full time coaching. He's around 32 and has been coaching full time for 3 years more or less, from what I know. He coaches Mariano 'La moto' García (800) as well, and I don t know of any other international athlete he might be working with.
Regards
hmmjustmaybe wrote:
Could of just said unsure but yeah let’s go with agnostic lol. Stupid.
Being agnostic isn't being unsure; it is reserving belief in that which is based on faith, as the perceived effects of doping may be. But you prefer "stupid" over subtle.
his improvement is tremendous!
Armstronglivs wrote:
our Army wrote:
And pointing on this is important for you exactly why?
Because the previous poster made an issue of how the word was being used, as though there was something irregular about it. There isn't.
And that's the reason for you to call him "not sophisticated" ?
You're really some strange character.
maaaaaybe2 wrote:
... He's been with his current coach (Gabi Lorente) for two years more or less, maybe a little bit more. After he ran 3.38 or 36 I don't remember, Katir contacted him and told him that he would like to work with him. Then they started to work together.
An interesting thing is that his coach is very young and quite new to professional-full time coaching. He's around 32 and has been coaching full time for 3 years more or less, from what I know…
Great, thanks for this input. I saw from a YouTube video that this coach is very much into lactate testing. I saw Katir being tested a few seconds after an interval. This is similar to what the Norwegians do. Being a younger coach, does he follow more of a scientific approach? Does he follow Gjert’s program?
Fields of green wrote:
I was going to post his training, but the horrible postings changed my mind.
Oh, please do. remember this is letstun where anyone who improves after the age of about 22 and is fast is assumed by many to be doping. MK might be, but would still be interesting to see the training samples.
There are ample reasons for Katir improvement independent of doping. I have no idea on that part of it. He's been pretty open that he was not well-supported as a junior athlete. The professionalization of his training and his new coach along with trips to altitude, training at the national center, and so on are definitely things that would benefit a raw athlete. I think the bigger thing than his improvement is the ceiling he hit last year. If he maxed out at 13:00/3:32, I don't think the he's definitely doping crowd would be there. The fact that hit such a high level is why people are all over him. On the positive side, he is not like a Jama Aden athlete hiding/doing obviously dodgy things. If he is doping it's not through evading tests/testers and competing in small meets. He also isn't particular secretive in interviews and such. Not as open as the Ingrebridstens but more open than many American groups.
jiggymeister wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Katir is great but there's a huge red flag in that he never looks relaxed. Always gritting his teeth making a huge effort, running as fast as he can. Peak is 1 second better max at 1500.
Actually, if anything, gritting his teeth, especially from the beginning of a race, is something that does not favor the doping argument. Dopers supposedly have an association of looking too relaxed even after a huge effort such as breaking a WR.
A doper vs a better doper still has to teeth-grit. A teeth-gritting non-doper can become a relaxed doper, but is otherwise at or near peak.
The reason teeth gritting is a red flag is very few athletes can muster that effort level many years in a row. They get over the anger, hate, fear or whatever and move on with their lives.
ghghgh wrote:
2021 improvement:
Indoor
3000m: 13s (7:35)
Outdoor
1500m: 8s (3:28.7)
3000m: 17s (7:27.6)
5000m: 60s (12:50)
Road
10k: 73s (27:45)
I see him breaking the indoor 3000m WR this winter (7:24.9)
Not a chance...even being juiced to the gills!
Next!
jiggymeister wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Indoor world records are a mechanically-assisted joke, all in the track design. 3000m is arguably faster indoors than out, if it were ran as often.
Katir is great but there's a huge red flag in that he never looks relaxed. Always gritting his teeth making a huge effort, running as fast as he can. Peak is 1 second better max at 1500.
Actually, if anything, gritting his teeth, especially from the beginning of a race, is something that does not favor the doping argument. Dopers supposedly have an association of looking too relaxed even after a huge effort such as breaking a WR.
You're an idiot!
Next!
It doesn't matter what his training plan is. Threshold, hills, 200's, 300's, tempo, fartlek, etc... It's all the same sh^t. Who cares what he does. When you're juiced up anyone can make any workout look amazing. I don't think there's ever been a clean Spanish distance runner EVER! kinda like the Italians, these dudes eat testosterone pills like skittles and wash them down with some tasty EPO. They truly don't give 2 sh^ts.
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