Do they get dental insurance?
Do they get dental insurance?
Folks in pro sports leave teams all the time. For some reason with running, it’s always negative speculation about their former coach/training group. Why is this? New scenery and a different approach to training stimuli at least once in a pro’s career should be expected and welcomed.
Not Steven A Smith wrote:
Folks in pro sports leave teams all the time. For some reason with running, it’s always negative speculation about their former coach/training group. Why is this? New scenery and a different approach to training stimuli at least once in a pro’s career should be expected and welcomed.
Well, if sponsored runners got traded the way the big four sports trade signed athletes - it would always be sold to the media like a positive thing on the arrival side instead of what we have now.
And draft day would be a huge thing too.
But we don't have 32 shoe brands/teams on equal terms, not 16, not even 8 - and Nike isn't gonna give up their biggest budget market position as way better than everyone else unless fans (or courts) do something about it.
How does NAZ Elite help Hoka sell more shoes? If anything, it draws attention to how uncompetitive their product is for elites and serious amateurs, and most mid-pack runners don't even know they exist.
Not suggesting they're pulling the plug. It just seems a complete waste of money from a business perspective.
What is it with all of the Nike fanboys on this forum? How many Nike bots are floating around? Nike sponsored athletes are not exactly dominating the podiums at major American marathons. Especially on the women's side.
BOHICA wrote:
no agenda....just wondering wrote:
Reebok is an adidas-owned brand.
Nope. False.
Technically true, Adidas still owns Reebok at least until sometime in the first quarter of 2022.
https://www.adidas-group.com/en/media/news-archive/press-releases/2021/adidas-sell-reebok-authentic-brands-group/#:~:text=adidas%20announced%20today%20that%20it,of%20deferred%20and%20contingent%20consideration.
*stipe wrote:
Joshclan wrote:
But why the heck do they keep that old lady Rothstein on the team?She’s such a has been and there’s not any good performances from her in the last six years!
She is a workhorse and I believe relatable and inspiring to female runners-mothers.
This. The women in our local running group love her, and they've all bought a ton of "Grit" stuff. At the end of the day, it's a business.
Sid Vaughn is the most underwhelming, underperforming runner I've ever seen.
HobbyJogger34 wrote:
How does NAZ Elite help Hoka sell more shoes? If anything, it draws attention to how uncompetitive their product is for elites and serious amateurs, and most mid-pack runners don't even know they exist.
Not suggesting they're pulling the plug. It just seems a complete waste of money from a business perspective.
Because one of their women won the Trials, and two others are consistently in the running at every marathon they enter? And their ( very average talent) men are in the mix?
HobbyJogger34 wrote:
How does NAZ Elite help Hoka sell more shoes? If anything, it draws attention to how uncompetitive their product is for elites and serious amateurs, and most mid-pack runners don't even know they exist.
Not suggesting they're pulling the plug. It just seems a complete waste of money from a business perspective.
They've got solid social media presence (Twitter, FB, Insta, several podcasts). Training logs a publicly viewable online. There was a documentary recently released by the groups trials buildup. Scott Fauble has a book available about his marathon training. Matt Fitzgerald released about about his time with the group. Ben Rosario and Matt Fitzgerald have another book coming out in March. The group is clean.
doctorj wrote:
BOHICA wrote:
Nope. False.
Technically true, Adidas still owns Reebok at least until sometime in the first quarter of 2022.
https://www.adidas-group.com/en/media/news-archive/press-releases/2021/adidas-sell-reebok-authentic-brands-group/#:~:text=adidas%20announced%20today%20that%20it,of%20deferred%20and%20contingent%20consideration.
Technically true right now, my statement was certainly true when a couple of the higher-profile Reebok runners wore adidas at TMP.
Saw someone in the thread suggest Fauble to Pete Julian due to the Portland connection. Fauble has openly been against Nike quite a few times so can’t see that happening. Probably goes back to Rob Conner. Any other ideas for coaches that’d be a good fit for his type (marathoner who races half’s and 10ks)? Maybe Troop or Jones in Boulder or McKirdy trained in Flag?
no agenda....just wondering wrote:
doctorj wrote:
Technically true, Adidas still owns Reebok at least until sometime in the first quarter of 2022.
https://www.adidas-group.com/en/media/news-archive/press-releases/2021/adidas-sell-reebok-authentic-brands-group/#:~:text=adidas%20announced%20today%20that%20it,of%20deferred%20and%20contingent%20consideration.
Technically true right now, my statement was certainly true when a couple of the higher-profile Reebok runners wore adidas at TMP.
Which was, yes, a year ago.
Inside A Marathon was a great book.
Boston 2021: Nike 2nd and 3rd on the women's side (Adidas 1st)
Chicago 2021: Nike 1st on the women's side (Asics 2nd and 3rd)
New York 2021: Nike 3rd (Adidas 1st and 2nd)
Not a bad return for Nike
HobbyJogger34 wrote:
How does NAZ Elite help Hoka sell more shoes? If anything, it draws attention to how uncompetitive their product is for elites and serious amateurs, and most mid-pack runners don't even know they exist.
Which 99.999% of the market neither knows nor cares about. Aliphine was front and center at the OT, they embrace their fans via multiple channels and on multiple levels. They do this better than every other distance-centric group out there. Contrary to your belief, midpackers make up the majority of their fanbase. They don't care if these guys aren't beating up on Rupp, they still see them as in that stratosphere and that's just as legit.
High hopes wrote:
Boston 2021: Nike 2nd and 3rd on the women's side (Adidas 1st)
Chicago 2021: Nike 1st on the women's side (Asics 2nd and 3rd)
New York 2021: Nike 3rd (Adidas 1st and 2nd)
Not a bad return for Nike
It doesn't not help, and yet the vast majority of people in or watching those races aren't consciously aware of the brands worn by anyone finishing on the podium. It's a few dozen runnerds on a backwater message board that know or care.
I have a theory as to why Rory and Scott are leaving NAZ. When I first started seeing their training on Strava I noticed that they would do some pretty intense long runs. I didn't think too much of it at first but now going back and looking at their training it seems like these guys are absolutely dead after their long runs.
July 31st - 22 miles with 3 mile progression at the end
August 4th - 18 miles - 40x400m
August 8th - 18 miles
August 18th - 23 miles with a push at the end
August 28th - 23 miles - 4 miles @ marathon, 10 miles @ 6 min, 4 miles hard
August 29th - 8 miles - "This might have been harder than yesterday" - Scott
September 4th - 16 miles - 10 miles @ 6 min, 4 @ 5:10 - "Not Ideal, glute thing popped, Pulled plug early" - Scott
September 11th - 26.2 miles - 17.5 easy, then a lil fartlek.
September 18th - 19 miles - 14 miles @ 5:08
September 19th - 8 miles - "Recovering" - Scott
Hehir left the group after a year or so, right? I think he said something like Ben's training just didn't work well with him. I can't remember if Hehir said anything about the long runs but that's what I would guess didn't work for him.
Just a theory though...
Ganbatte wrote:
I have a theory as to why Rory and Scott are leaving NAZ. When I first started seeing their training on Strava I noticed that they would do some pretty intense long runs. I didn't think too much of it at first but now going back and looking at their training it seems like these guys are absolutely dead after their long runs.
July 31st - 22 miles with 3 mile progression at the end
August 4th - 18 miles - 40x400m
August 8th - 18 miles
August 18th - 23 miles with a push at the end
August 28th - 23 miles - 4 miles @ marathon, 10 miles @ 6 min, 4 miles hard
August 29th - 8 miles - "This might have been harder than yesterday" - Scott
September 4th - 16 miles - 10 miles @ 6 min, 4 @ 5:10 - "Not Ideal, glute thing popped, Pulled plug early" - Scott
September 11th - 26.2 miles - 17.5 easy, then a lil fartlek.
September 18th - 19 miles - 14 miles @ 5:08
September 19th - 8 miles - "Recovering" - Scott
Hehir left the group after a year or so, right? I think he said something like Ben's training just didn't work well with him. I can't remember if Hehir said anything about the long runs but that's what I would guess didn't work for him.
Just a theory though...
It is funny because I was never particularly impressed with their training for a 2:09 guy. It seemes solid and consistent but nothing spectacular which is what marathoners need.
Running 20 miles at 6:00 pace is a 2 hour long run and nothing spectacular. Especially when you can race a marathon at 4:55 pace.
This is a weird announcement at a weird time. Because of the timing, it must have been contract based.
Scott has had an interesting career. With the Boston 2:09 I think we all thought he may be the dude to finally compete with Rupp.
Boy, it just has not panned out that way. I think this is the right move regardless. The trials were a massive letdown and I think the writing was on the wall at that point.
Is it the shoes? The coach? His personal drive? His talent? Not sure. Time will tell if this dude has what it takes to be consistently under 2:10. He’s young for a marathoner and has some time.