Do you think the Crumbley parents are legally innocent?

Anyone that considers themselves an advocate of gun rights, and responsible gun ownership should want these idiots tossed in jail.

They are the exact opposite of what you advocate. They HURT the cause, they do not help it in any way.

The parents, the guy who helped them, and the school administrators are all at fault here.

The parents should be executed.

The guy should be in prison for life.

The school admin should be imprisoned 20-40 years.

The mom's letter to Trump after he was elected.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/02/accused-michigan-gunmans-mom-wrote-letter-praising-trump/

“As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms. Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions,” Jennifer Crumbley wrote in a blog post,

“My son struggles daily, and my teachers tell me they hate teaching it but the [sic] HAVE to,” Jennifer wrote. “I have to pay for a Tutor, why? Because I can’t figure out 4th grade math. I used to be good at math. I can’t afford a Tutor, in fact I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life.”

She continued: “My parents teach at a school where their kids come from illegal immigrant parents. Most of their parents are locked up. They don’t care about learning and threaten to kill my mom for caring about their grades.

“Do you realize Mr. Trump that they get free tutors, free tablets from our Government so they can succeed. Why cant my son get those things, do we as hard working Americans not deserve that too?” Jennifer wrote.

So, his mom thanked Trump for helping their son to succeed in life.

How's that working out?

the school teacher, principal and guidance counselors did nothing to prevent the attack; a kid can be suspended for making some offensive remark, the school should have suspended him, and also searched him, searched his backpack and his locker, the school did nothing; the parents are worthless pieces of crap, they should be charged if they broke any law, same for the school people

daytripper wrote:

the school teacher, principal and guidance counselors did nothing to prevent the attack;

They had the parents in that morning.

They asked them to take him home.

The parents refused to take him home.

The school also showed the parents he was searching online for ammunition and their response was telling him not to get caught next time.

You can't say the school did nothing.

They tried to work with the parents and the parents refused to help.

Exstar wrote:

daytripper wrote:

the school teacher, principal and guidance counselors did nothing to prevent the attack;

They had the parents in that morning.

They asked them to take him home.

The parents refused to take him home.

The school also showed the parents he was searching online for ammunition and their response was telling him not to get caught next time.

You can't say the school did nothing.

They tried to work with the parents and the parents refused to help.

What are you, the school's lawyer? Every school has the right to suspend a student. They don't need parent's permission. In fact, I've never heard of a school calling a parent and asking if its okay to suspend their kid.

The district attorney has already threatened to charge school officials.

Exstar wrote:

So, his mom thanked Trump for helping their son to succeed in life.

How's that working out?

That whole area from Oxford into Macomb County is full of rednecks and right-winger blue-collar folks. My wife works that area in sales and these idiots love their guns and still keep Trump signs on their lawns. One of them even gave a Trump coin to my wife as a "gift". These types also feel that they live in affluent "Metro Detroit" area, adding a double whammy of hilarity, since they are geographically closer to Flint.

Whoever is the legal owner of the gun used in this shooting (I believe the father) needs to be held 100% accountable for every bullet that was ever fired from that gun. Bottom line, if you want to own guns, you better know they are safe and secure at al times and be prepared to face the consequences if $hit happens.

joerooster wrote:

Whoever is the legal owner of the gun used in this shooting (I believe the father) needs to be held 100% accountable for every bullet that was ever fired from that gun. Bottom line, if you want to own guns, you better know they are safe and secure at al times and be prepared to face the consequences if $hit happens.

You never want to see change happen because of a tragedy, but that's just the way it is. I sincerely hope these parents get the full punishment because 1) it's clear they don't give a crap about anyone and 2) it will hopefully force/urge parents keep these firearms locked away from impressionable 15-year olds with clear mental issues otherwise they are facing life in cell block 3.

I found it odd they were charged. I'll give the government the benefit of the doubt that there were unusual indicators of reckless behavior on their part. If not, this would be a terrifying precedent to set.

Officials from the school have repeatedly said this "At no time did counselors believe the student might harm others based on his behavior, responses and demeanor, which appeared calm".

That just stinks like hell. If they didn't believe the student might harm others, why did they remove him from the classroom? Why did they call in the parents? Why did they threaten to contact Child Protective Services in 48 hours? This does not add up.

I personally can't say for sure whether or not the parents are criminally liable. But, it's pretty obvious that the school and county officials are engaged engaged in a bullsh*t media cover-up blitz trying to deflect blame from themselves.

And because of that, their credibility is shot. I don't believe anything that's been said about the parents.

I agree with you, Bugattiaron, except that we don't know how long there were red flags/warning signs. It may have only been a few days.

I am very surprised that the school guidance counselors were so naive or poorly trained that they didn't recognize an immediate, severe threat. The morning of the shooting, Ethan drew a picture of someone shooting another person with a handgun, showing blood dripping and wrote, "The thoughts won't stop. Help me." He also wrote "My life is useless. The world is dead." CLEAR SIGNS OF A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS AND THAT HE IS A DANGER TO OTHERS AND HIMSELF. His teacher had him taken to the counselor's office. His backpack and locker should have been searched and they should have called the police to have him taken to a psychiatric ER or an ER that had a psychiatrist on duty. WTF?! They believed his bulls__t about the drawing and words being for a video game, especially after a teacher reported he was looking for ammunition online the day before? His parents met with them and reportedly refused to take him home and were told they had to get him to a counselor within 48 hours and then they left the school. We don't know if the counselors asked if the kid had access to a gun. IMO, the school counselors are partly responsible, but not as much as his irresponsible parents.

nike shill wrote:

RedditisBetter wrote:

Parents get a pass? The created him, raised him , had 24/7 access to him.

School gets blame? Minimal access and legal obligations? Was the school allowed to 'force' the parents to take the kid home on the day of the shooting.

Hope the parents get drilled and if school violated any direct policies they are held responsible as well.

I wasn't absolving the parents of anything, I was just placing more blame on the school, without removing any for the parents. As far as I know, schools have the right to search anything a student brings on campus as long as their is a reasonable suspicion of a threat or wrongdoing. The 4th doesn't apply in schools. The kid was clearly a threat, and should've been searched. Doesn't make the scumbag parents angels, it just means the school should've done something more in my opinion.

From press reports the school officials are saying the parents didn't mention that the son had recently been gifted a handgun. One has to wonder how much proactive the school's reaction would have been had they known this.

Moreover, there are reports that the father went home after the meeting, realized the gun wasn't there, and didn't contact the school. The prosecution will rightly argue that at this point the father was aware from the meeting that the son was drawing pictures sufficiently disturbing for him to have been called to the school, that the son probably had the gun with him at the school, and did nothing about it.

Parents are responsible for the actions of their minor children, when did we get away from that? These parents knew what the potential risk was, but did not care. They knew they were wrong, that is why they decided to spend the night in a warehouse

Spot on, like it or not.

I'm amazed at the number of sociopaths on this forum. I wonder how you would feel differently if it were one of your kids who was shot and killed in this situation. If not at all, then point proven.

wow... wrote:

I'm amazed at the number of sociopaths on this forum. I wonder how you would feel differently if it were one of your kids who was shot and killed in this situation. If not at all, then point proven.

Same with the death penalty. If you are against the death penalty, you are incapable of feeling how the victim’s family feels, and that proves the point that you are a sociopath.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

There are reports that the father went home after the meeting, realized the gun wasn't there, and didn't contact the school.

How could they possibly know that? You're believing lynch mob hysteria put out from one party that is doing whatever they can to avoid fingers being pointed at by themselves.

The Michigan Attorney General offered to perform a third party investigation into the shootings. The Oxford Community School District refused. What does that tell you?