Well Bekele is the greatest 5,000m runner of all-time, and that 2008 performance is probably the best championship 5,000m race ever (you could argue 2003 Paris). There's a large difference between saying 2008 Bekele would beat 2021 Cheptegei and that Jakob Ingrebridsten of one sub-13 5,000 in his life and no championship success at the 5,000 level would beat him. This was a great run done in tough conditions. We've seen fewer of these than 12:50 type paced DL efforts.
5000mLegend wrote:
Great for him.
But Jakob, Edris and Barega, would have all beaten him easily.
Can only race who shows up on the line. Why weren't those pussies in the race if they're so great? Cheptegei doubled up, why couldn't they?
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Well Bekele is the greatest 5,000m runner of all-time, and that 2008 performance is probably the best championship 5,000m race ever (you could argue 2003 Paris). There's a large difference between saying 2008 Bekele would beat 2021 Cheptegei and that Jakob Ingrebridsten of one sub-13 5,000 in his life and no championship success at the 5,000 level would beat him. This was a great run done in tough conditions. We've seen fewer of these than 12:50 type paced DL efforts.
Oh, I agree. I don’t know who would have won this year and doubt it would have been Jakob but someone mentioned to look at last few laps of those fast lap finishes to compare…which I did
I think it’s a shame none of Barega, Hagos, kejelcha, edris or Jakob were even in the race as I like to see the actual top runners battle it out.
PMellyhenepics wrote:
5000mLegend wrote:
Great for him.
But Jakob, Edris and Barega, would have all beaten him easily.
Can only race who shows up on the line. Why weren't those pussies in the race if they're so great? Cheptegei doubled up, why couldn't they?
Ethiopia doesn’t allow doubles anymore
There is no way Jakob would have been anywhere in that race.
He is way too big and heavy to handle this extreme heat and humidity. He is also not trained for it, Norway has quite contrary conditions (one of the cooler countries in Europe, even in the summer it doesn't get super hot there).
Last 1k in 2:25 in these conditions is extremely good. People here have never ran a 5k in hot and humid conditions, and are not aware of different genetics (like surface area to mass ratio).
At this point it's just pure fanboyism that some LRC posters are doing here about Western runners. I hope they won't be disappointed when they watch what's going to happen in the 1500m race.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
There is no way Jakob would have been anywhere in that race.
He is way too big and heavy to handle this extreme heat and humidity. He is also not trained for it, Norway has quite contrary conditions (one of the cooler countries in Europe, even in the summer it doesn't get super hot there).
Last 1k in 2:25 in these conditions is extremely good. People here have never ran a 5k in hot and humid conditions, and are not aware of different genetics (like surface area to mass ratio).
At this point it's just pure fanboyism that some LRC posters are doing here about Western runners. I hope they won't be disappointed when they watch what's going to happen in the 1500m race.
Oh come on, I’m sure he’d be in contention…maybe not win but he’d be up there. And I’m in no way a fanboy of his and normally cheer against him but he would be battling it out last lap
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Well Bekele is the greatest 5,000m runner of all-time, and that 2008 performance is probably the best championship 5,000m race ever (you could argue 2003 Paris). There's a large difference between saying 2008 Bekele would beat 2021 Cheptegei and that Jakob Ingrebridsten of one sub-13 5,000 in his life and no championship success at the 5,000 level would beat him. This was a great run done in tough conditions. We've seen fewer of these than 12:50 type paced DL efforts.
Agreed.
The fact that this run is somewhat comparable to the greatest championship 5000m performance of all time (Bekele 2008) is a testament to how good Cheptegei was today in the bad conditions. Heat and humidity, still ran sub-13 and closed in 3:58.6. That's better than the large majority of 5000 winners at world and Olympic finals.
Bekele obviously remains the GOAT.
Totally agree with OP. If one of the burners like Katir had been in this race, he would have eaten Cheptegei ALIVE on the last lap.
Oh wait...a huge kicker like Katir was in the race and had all the gas ridden out of him 4600m and he closed in 61.6. When people are running up against their fitness in fast races, that kick really means jack.
suspicion in the ignition wrote:
Totally agree with OP. If one of the burners like Katir had been in this race, he would have eaten Cheptegei ALIVE on the last lap.
Oh wait...a huge kicker like Katir was in the race and had all the gas ridden out of him 4600m and he closed in 61.6. When people are running up against their fitness in fast races, that kick really means jack.
😂😂😂 +100
One of the requirements for winning a race is that you actually have to compete in the race. They do not award Olympic gold medals to people who would have run a race if they had been in it.
PMellyhenepics wrote:
5000mLegend wrote:
Great for him.
But Jakob, Edris and Barega, would have all beaten him easily.
Can only race who shows up on the line. Why weren't those pussies in the race if they're so great? Cheptegei doubled up, why couldn't they?
In fairness to Barega and Edris, it's not up to them. The corrupt EOC made the call there.
Florence didn’t have qualifying or an Olympic medal at stake.
He avoided the double because of the scheduling... 1500m and 5000m first rounds were 12 hours apart too.
Smacked? He already smacked every 5k competitor at Florence when he won in 12:48. Can't tell if you are a hater, troll, or just an idiot. Maybe a combination of all 3? Lol
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big daddy wrote:
This was only the second Olympic 5k win under 13, after Bekele's legendary 2008 run. Chep did what he had to. The heat absolutely was a factor and he handled it
Exactly, if it was favorable conditions even as high as 70F the times would have been in the 12:40s easily. Great race by Cheptegai Ahmed and Chelimo.
When was this televised? Have Youtubetv.
advice giver wrote:
Florence didn’t have qualifying or an Olympic medal at stake.
So Ingebrigtsen dominating a loaded field means absolutely nothing and doesn’t indicate that he could have been competitive in the Olympic final? I’m not suggesting he would have won easily, and he may not have even medaled given the conditions, but to pretend that he shouldn’t even be in the conversation is absurd.
Cheptegei ran a great race today and is a deserving champion. OP is an idiot for harping on the “slow” last lap. Full stop.
Now, are there athletes who weren’t in the field that could have outdone Cheptegei today? Yes. Bekele and Farah, without question (for those suggesting no one could replicate Cheptegei’s performance today). Certainly Barega and Gebrhiwet would have given him a run for his money as well. And then Ingebrigtsen, who showed great class in Florence and has a better kick than pretty much anyone in today’s final. Maybe the conditions would have been too much for him, maybe not. We’ll never know.
Fk me to tears, what a bunch of absolute weapons
still the goat wrote:
Jakob C. Hocker wrote:
What qualifies as a big kicker? That 'fast time' (12:48.45) was closed in 4:01.45 [27.25/56.0], the final 400m within the neighborhood of tonight's medalists in a race 10 seconds faster.
Ingebrigtsen also closed a 13:02 in 53 at London DL 2019. Anyone saying he can’t kick is an idiot. The heat/humidity might have killed him today, but that would be the only reason to doubt him. He crushed these guys in Florence.
Not trying to take anything away from Cheptegei. I’m happy to see the world record holder pick up Olympic gold.
Exactly he runs a 1302 and finishes 5th or so. Or in a good weather race he run 1248 and finishes 10+ back.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Well Bekele is the greatest 5,000m runner of all-time, and that 2008 performance is probably the best championship 5,000m race ever (you could argue 2003 Paris). There's a large difference between saying 2008 Bekele would beat 2021 Cheptegei and that Jakob Ingrebridsten of one sub-13 5,000 in his life and no championship success at the 5,000 level would beat him. This was a great run done in tough conditions. We've seen fewer of these than 12:50 type paced DL efforts.
Not to split hairs, slick. Jakko did have a great showing in the 5k at world juniors.
As the only other person in the history of this entire planet to run in Komen territory (<330-730-1250) theoretically he could have won.