Instead of "I'm doing it for Shelby" say "I'm doing it for a convicted doper."
Instead of "I'm doing it for Shelby" say "I'm doing it for a convicted doper."
rojo wrote:
The more I think about this. The Shelby case in some ways is going to be the George Floyd equivalent for track and field. Yes,there were lots of police brutality cases but that one pushed it over the top.
How many times do we have to cases like Ajee, Jarrion, Shelby, etc. before change is made. Even if you think Shelby dirty, we can't continue with this system. It must change.
We can't keep having stars test positive and then sometimes they get off, sometimes they don't.
That is nonsense. Some people get arrested and not indicted, some indicted and not tried, some tried and found not guilty, some found guilty but reversed in appeal, some get found guilty and stay guilty.
Doping is no different. Ever case is a stand alone
I give them credit for supporting their friend during a hard time for her but I understand how it rubs people the wrong way in that it may seem as if they support cheating and/or are cheating themselves by publicly acknowledging her like that.
I actually think that their support indicates that Cranny and Frerichs are clean athletes (unless they are psycho/sociopaths, which I doubt). I think they are a bit delusional in believing Shelby's story just because she's their friend and they didnt think she would cheat. The alternate standpoint would be theyre all cheaters and the cheating culture has been ingrained within their club on a large scale. We are a product of our environment. But as I said, I dont think that's the case but we should entertain all possibilities.
High hopes wrote:
Maybe the problem here is that USADA is failing to live up the standards of the rest of the world.
When a national anti-doping authority can't enforce the rules, then it reflects poorly on the whole of T&F in that country - see Kenya, for example.
And Russia. The Shelby case is most likely the tip of a doping iceberg in America.
Also says alot about you posters that arent acknowledging Rojos crazy George Floyd comparison and are replying to it, only to talk about shelby's case... is very disturbing as well.
Another giver of +1 wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Maybe the problem here is that USADA is failing to live up the standards of the rest of the world.
When a national anti-doping authority can't enforce the rules, then it reflects poorly on the whole of T&F in that country - see Kenya, for example.
And Russia. The Shelby case is most likely the tip of a doping iceberg in America.
Sadly this is my biggest fear. For so long I think many track and field distance fans would say we may not be the fastest but at least we don’t cheat. Then NOP happened. I think many a set that aside and said aberration. Now this happens and it is harder to deny that we are not cheaters too.
smhcourtney wrote:
. I know they just ran a race and are tired and excited at the same time
Mentioning your doping teammate seems like an odd thing to be thinking about at that time, unless you were all also doping i guess.
Also, regardless of how crappy of a human George Floyd was, he was flat out LITERALLY murdered. The next time a cop pulls rojo over for speeding, i hope he pulls him out of the car and kneels on his neck for 9 minutes. 😒
America's fury wrote:
The next time a cop pulls rojo over for speeding, i hope he pulls him out of the car and kneels on his neck for 9 minutes. 😒
+1. Then Rojo will really understand how Shelby feels!
Many employers have a zero tolerance drug policy. If you test positive for an illegible substance, you are fired. Pro cycling teams also have this policy. Why doesn’t Nike?
Ol’ Rojo is going to have a rude awakening from his heavy hangover….
Same organization had Lawson out for years, wasted some of his career. And everyone on this board bashed him. He was found to be innocent, and not nearly the same energy.
Rojo, here’s a question that needs to be asked and I’m curious. Add it to your article. Why do you and your brother and Gault believe in Schumacher so much? Have you spent a lot of time in the BTC camp, seen the ins and outs, know what supplements they take, know their training schedule? He’s been probably the most elusive coach in the country when trying to get him to talk. How can you explain the fact that he was using similar doctors (weren’t they?) to NOP whom you all judged openly and outwardly? Have you asked BTC why they were acting like everything was fine when their stars weren’t racing and why Jager came out with his news on the exact same day the Houlihan press conference was out?
Anyone proclaiming unprompted they are “running” for Shelburrito is immediately suspicious. I’m just going to assume they are doped to the gils. Thick as thieves.
rojo wrote:
The more I think about this. The Shelby case in some ways is going to be the George Floyd equivalent for track and field. Yes,there were lots of police brutality cases but that one pushed it over the top.
How many times do we have to cases like Ajee, Jarrion, Shelby, etc. before change is made. Even if you think Shelby dirty, we can't continue with this system. It must change.
We can't keep having stars test positive and then sometimes they get off, sometimes they don't.
Yes, there were lots of bad rojo posts but this one put it over the top.
All you ever heard is how close-knit they all were, how they lived together and trained together. There is no way that one runner was doping and the rest were not or were ignorant of it. Be it US Postal or Ben Johnson's training group, the team that trains together dopes together. And you saw it reflected in the times. Shelby was not the only one whose performances suddenly looked very suspicious and whose times crossed the credibility barrier. And so you have protesting to much. It's a facade.
lizzyville wrote:
rojo wrote:
The more I think about this. The Shelby case in some ways is going to be the George Floyd equivalent for track and field. Yes,there were lots of police brutality cases but that one pushed it over the top.
How many times do we have to cases like Ajee, Jarrion, Shelby, etc. before change is made. Even if you think Shelby dirty, we can't continue with this system. It must change.
We can't keep having stars test positive and then sometimes they get off, sometimes they don't.
Yes, there were lots of bad rojo posts but this one put it over the top.
Look at the bright side. It's provided seemingly endless opportunities for posters who were in need of expressing some faux outrage.
lizzyville wrote:
rojo wrote:
The more I think about this. The Shelby case in some ways is going to be the George Floyd equivalent for track and field. Yes,there were lots of police brutality cases but that one pushed it over the top.
How many times do we have to cases like Ajee, Jarrion, Shelby, etc. before change is made. Even if you think Shelby dirty, we can't continue with this system. It must change.
We can't keep having stars test positive and then sometimes they get off, sometimes they don't.
Yes, there were lots of bad rojo posts but this one put it over the top.
there are just so many better ways to make the point that the shelburrito case has had a huge impact on the doping discussion. so, so many ways. shelburrito HAS been a game changer - just look at the incredible amount of message board activity and attention from the lifting bro community. but it's just on a completely different plane than racism/police brutality in the US and it's an absolutely tone deaf comparison. if i were erik the web guy i would add an if condition in the php to check if a post is from rojo and then immediately route it to the special rojo staging inbox before it gets approved for publishing. LMAO
The best irony would be watching the USOT from Houlihan's (they have TVs), while eating a burrito.
Is there a link on YT of this? News articles are crap and 72 hours old or older.
It’s crazy to me that Cranny and Courtney take their 5 seconds of fame in front of a national broadcast to call out a teammate that’s been convicted of doping. Really nice way to grow the sport and your own image/brand. The only explanation I have for it is that they are dopers themselves and still trying to sway the public opinion. If you take more than 5 minutes to look into the case, there are major red flags that would have me not wanting to be associated with Shelby publicly.