free shipping with purchases wrote:
Knight got a haircut, so I didn't recognize him but holy shlt what a run. This has to make the US guys absolutely chomping at the bit to get over to Europe and into these races. You have to think Fisher, McGorty, Klecker are all under 13:00 in a race like this.
McSweyn looked terrible. You wonder if a long year last year and being fit early this year is going to come back and bite him.
You got one thing right, Knight got a haircut. Oh, and about McSweyn.
This is Jim Kiler wrote:
GaiusVelleius wrote:
Lets Run needs a separate section, where doping is discussed. Cycling-news forum has this and it makes the experience so much better. If you want to talk doping, then go there, but if you just want to enjoy talking about the great running, then you don´t have to deal with those annoying comments
Agreed.
Agreed x 2.
Hobbyjoggers sucking the fun out of sports by talking about shoes and PEDs while not knowing anything about either. Go to the Biden or Idaho thread and s.h.i.t. there.
SprintTriathlon wrote:
reheh wrote:
Where did I call him a doper?
Shame on you for your dishonesty.
You just have to love the anonymous that fill every chat forum with nonsensical bigotry and pure evil, and able themselves to statements illogical in every sense, hiding from proper people by not even declaring who they are.
Stop with the idiotic insults! I have been an Ingebrigtsen fan (as athletes, not as persons) since Henrik's junior days.
And you should work on reading comprehension: I NEVER claimed Jakob is doping. NEVER.
There's something called "pulling the leg" of the anti-African posters here that claimed someone running faster than a given time must be a doper. And now when Jakob does it they change their wording.
Talking about anonymity, oh yeah, SprintTriathlon is a very well-known name. Please declare who you are as you are accusing me of calling Jakob a doper.
You know what you should do? Apologize, but you will never do it, will you, because you are protected by anonymity.
It is amazing to me how some have flipped from "Africans have special genetic and cultural advantages that make it unfair for Europeans to even try to compete with them" to "Africans have to take drugs in order to keep up with the top Europeans." The consistent theme is to denigrate the performance of all Africans no matter the flip-flop.
longjack wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Katir’s last two laps were absolutely insane because we’re three laps to go he was quite well out of it and not in the race. Insane Katir. Cheptegei has shown some vulnerability.
Katir's stride stood out as #1 talent.
good to see that Jacob was absolutely exhausted.
the red flag is when you are fine within a minute.
Katir's progression is natural and is subject to legit testing. there is no super red flag.
this guy Katir is going to be a superstar.
SUPERSTAR
Totally agree regarding Katir!
free shipping with purchases wrote:
Knight got a haircut, so I didn't recognize him but holy shlt what a run. This has to make the US guys absolutely chomping at the bit to get over to Europe and into these races. You have to think Fisher, McGorty, Klecker are all under 13:00 in a race like this.
McSweyn looked terrible. You wonder if a long year last year and being fit early this year is going to come back and bite him.
Hasn't McSweyn been racing since the start of the Southern Hemisphere summer?
Sad truth wrote:
It is amazing to me how some have flipped from "Africans have special genetic and cultural advantages that make it unfair for Europeans to even try to compete with them" to "Africans have to take drugs in order to keep up with the top Europeans." The consistent theme is to denigrate the performance of all Africans no matter the flip-flop.
SprintTriathlon, this is what I was on about! Exactly this!
Coevett wrote:
European record away from a Moroccan doper. Next up El G's WR.
Aouita cut you pretty deep in your British proud.
Passant wrote:
longjack wrote:
ya, you don't need to come from africa
The records from the last 50 years dont say that.
so here is the mathematical equation.
The chance that what you see to be true is 1/50 = 2%.
nah, we all know you're kind of right though, overstated.
el G, coe, ovett, cram, walker, moorcroft, viren, all had world records in the last four decades.
rodal,baumann, elliot,cacho centro, lopes had golds, multiple metals
Ronaldo da Costa brazil had the wr marathon in 1998 with a 206 flat, and with a perfect course and pacing and the shoes, you know that is a 203 ish.
that's off the top.
if you look at football (soccer) you see that the top runners come from everywhere.
they keep stats. you have guys going 12 k per game and can sprint, and that is where the best talent goes, in E africa, you don't go to football, and running is the thing.
so you're right and wrong.
obviously if you are skinny and run all day and live at altitude, chances are you'll be good.
forgot lopez had the marathon wr
and if you count the 800m, well, africans don't have a monopoly there, that's for sure.
Passant wrote:
History of track and fields for the middle/long distances in Europe is written by African:
Alain Mimoun did it for France
Mo Farah did it for the GB
S . Hassan is doing it for the Netherland
Kipketer did it for the Denmark
This is the same Moroccan who earlier today posted that he hoped his country will soon prouduce 'the next Ramzi'.
Seriously.
Oh Please wrote:
SprintTriathlon wrote:
A guy with insane vo2Max at the age of 11, hailed as the biggest European runnerprodigy from then and throughout his teenage years, trained very smart all his life and all you can come up with is he is a doper.
Shame on you.
Fair is fair...when you start running some of the world's fastest times ever, in a sport rich with history, then there is a reason for it. Drugs, shoes, lights, track, or a combo of all. Do I think poorer countries have less testing? Yes, but that does not mean exceptional performances from "first world countries" should not be suspect. They are. That's reality.
Whats the reason for being an enormous talent at the age of 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 with sensational performances each and every year? Was it drugs, shoes? Jakob has been in the front for the last 9 years in a steady manner. Building the foundation stone by stone. No sudden leaps at all.
Coevett wrote:
Seriously.
You hatred is overhelming.
Find a single post in these forums were I accused another runner of doping.
I play with facts not hypothesis.
Jakob is HORRIFYINGLY good !! 12:48 now?? No words for this kid. His resume at 1500, 2000, 3000 and 5000 is scary. People ought to get used to this kid beating them. Will be happening the next 6-7 years.
Passant wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Seriously.
You hatred is overhelming.
Find a single post in these forums were I accused another runner of doping.
I play with facts not hypothesis.
Jakob runs an incredible race and you're posting that Africans inevitably dominate even European running. The same day that you literally (screencapped) posted your hope that Morocco will soon produce the next Ramzi. - the most notorious convicted doper that distance running has ever suffered. You make El K look like Nelson Mandela.
TheRealScotty wrote:
Jakob is HORRIFYINGLY good !! 12:48 now?? No words for this kid. His resume at 1500, 2000, 3000 and 5000 is scary. People ought to get used to this kid beating them. Will be happening the next 6-7 years.
2-3 more years and he's done. Especially after racing 5k against Africans. Body will give in eventually, since he has been training since he could walk.
Oh Please wrote:
SprintTriathlon wrote:
A guy with insane vo2Max at the age of 11, hailed as the biggest European runnerprodigy from then and throughout his teenage years, trained very smart all his life and all you can come up with is he is a doper.
Shame on you.
Fair is fair...when you start running some of the world's fastest times ever, in a sport rich with history, then there is a reason for it. Drugs, shoes, lights, track, or a combo of all. Do I think poorer countries have less testing? Yes, but that does not mean exceptional performances from "first world countries" should not be suspect. They are. That's reality.
It might not be very exceptional for very long with the stack of talent emerging. Get ready for the new normal. The moment proper testing is in place in Africa, performances in Europe, the USA, Australia etc shoot up. Self-belief is 100% everything in this and every other sport.
Instead of accusing Jakob of doping for producing one of the greatest performances by a European since Sebastian Coe on the same track this very night forty years ago, you should be questioning what the hell has happened to Cheptegei (and Musalaga). And where is Kiplimo hiding? WADA finally turned up in Uganda? I guess Aden, Pineda, Rosa and the rest will now be moving to Tanzania to find the next African land of 'untapped talent'.
think first wrote:
TheRealScotty wrote:
Jakob is HORRIFYINGLY good !! 12:48 now?? No words for this kid. His resume at 1500, 2000, 3000 and 5000 is scary. People ought to get used to this kid beating them. Will be happening the next 6-7 years.
2-3 more years and he's done. Especially after racing 5k against Africans. Body will give in eventually, since he has been training since he could walk.
ya, this it the normal prediction.
outliers don't obey the rule.
guys like bolt, bekele, and such, don't fit the mold.
with longevity, it's about how long you are red lining your training.
jacob has no signs of redlining.
he should be good to go for 4 years upward.
you would not change anything with what he is doing.
Rastus wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh5CJhqsOD4
At around 11:20 of the race they really put a surge in there for about 30 meters.[/quote]
PSA...if you ever want to see this you better take that URL and paste it into y2mate.com and download the video. I do this with all important outcomes because invariably it will be taken down.