Who will Alberto Salazar coach when his sanction is lifted?

Not So Casual Observer wrote:

So you cherry pick two off that list? First of all, Martha Stewart didn't go to prison for no reason or by accident. She paid her debt and was able to resume life and be successful.

Tiger was a huge deal. If you don't think so then you don't follow sports.

Al Sal is accused of calling women fat. He's accused of violating PED rules. He didn't kill anyone (Ray Lewis) or do anything immoral (Michael Vick/Tiger Woods/Mike Tyson/Hugh Freese). He isn't a criminal. The SafeSport is TEMPORARY and will EASILY be thrown out (not to mention a potential libel suit for being placed on a list of pedophiles and criminals) and an obvious overreach.

He will coach again and I will hope for the best for him .

I defended Martha Stewart and Eldridge Wood because they were both easy to defend.

* I could address Ray Lewis situation. Ray Lewis and his friends that night must have thoroughly studied John Nash and Prisoner's Dilemma. I'll leave it to young formal logic students and young law school students to walk through how Ray Lewis and his friends outsmarted prosecutors. Maybe Lewis and his friends were 100% innocent?

* You do know Mike Vick served federal time for running a multi-state illegal gambling operation. You did not believe Michael Vick served federal time for another reason did you?

* Martha Stewart used to be a Merrill Lynch broker long ago. Prosecutor believed Stewart committed insider trading but prosecutor could not prove it. Martha Stewart, for some unknown reason lied to F.B.I. when she had no reason to lie. Some people lie when nervous. Stewart got punished as if she were a rogue broker. Her M.L. broker may have passed along inside info to M. Stewart and Stewart may or may not have traded on said inside info. Happens all the time but Stewart kind of ... .

* Tiger cheated on his wife. Nike and ESPN made a big deal about it maybe. It was a private matter between Tiger and his now ex-wife.

* Mike Tyson. I was not there. You were not there. Tyson had a criminal record prior to meeting young lady. I do not believe his criminal defense attorney did a good job. Were you impressed by Mike Tyson's attorney?

* I never heard of the others on the list.

* I talked to a clinical psychologist about Nike and Al Sal since I posted. You can act like Al Sal having a non-psychologist misrepresenting himself is a non-issue. Al Sal's troubles may have just begun. Note: I am not a patient. I have a close blood relative who is a clinical psychologist.

You have never heard of Bill Clinton? Ray Lewis may have been 100% innocent? Vick not only was convicted of gambling but multiple counts of cruelty to animals. These are all serious crimes. AlSal hasn't been convicted of a single crime. Point is that these other people did far greater things and all had a second chance.

Nike and ESPN made Tiger's texts a big deal? Hahaha. You have never heard of Bill Clinton and Woody Allen?

Crawl back into your hole SJW.

he's filthy wrote:

Not So Casual Observer wrote:

So you cherry pick two off that list? First of all, Martha Stewart didn't go to prison for no reason or by accident. She paid her debt and was able to resume life and be successful.

Tiger was a huge deal. If you don't think so then you don't follow sports.

Al Sal is accused of calling women fat. He's accused of violating PED rules. He didn't kill anyone (Ray Lewis) or do anything immoral (Michael Vick/Tiger Woods/Mike Tyson/Hugh Freese). He isn't a criminal.

He is guilty of calling women fat. He is guilty and convicted and sentenced for violating PED rules. He did many, many immoral things. (FFS, he experimented with doping on his own child.) He is a criminal. Those are the facts, and anyone who is honest and intelligent knows this.

Okay. Every damn time some guy reduces Salazar's manipulative tactics to just plain old "rough around the edges" or "politically incorrect" ... Again. Salazar is not just some jerk who "had no business coaching a high school girl" as Rojo once put it, as if high school girls are some delicate flowers that need nothing but gentle nurturing care. He was abusive. Abusive. Do you need the run down??? I think you do.

He isolated Mary from her parents the minute she got to Portland. He purposefully guilted her into thinking she was a crybaby who needed her mommy and daddy when she tried to tell them things that was going on at NOP.

He didn't just call her fat or scream at her that she gained five pounds (which he did). He set up a number of 114 pounds that she *needed* to hit (Mary I think is 5'8" what healthy 5'8" girl is 114 pounds???) or he prevented her from going to races. He stopped her from going to Europe with the team because in his mind she was too heavy, THEN he shamed her for it.

He sent her to see Darren Treasure and they lied to her telling her that he was a "sports psych". *they lied to her about his credentials and title*. She told him personal information that made its way back to Salazar. She was manipulated into believing she had patient-dr confidentiality, because they lied to her.

She also worked with a 'nutritionist' who told her it was a good idea to just eat fruits and vegetables all day. A nutritionist told her this.

Mary had no choice. No choice, but to lose enough weight in the program in order to compete. She had no coached into developing an eating disorder. This wasn't because of a few snide comments from a coach who doesn't know better. The system was set up against her. That's why this story resonated so much with people.

This doesn't even take into consideration the way Salazar manipulated Yoder-Begley or others. That's why I just can't wrap my mind around it when people minimize what he did so much.

As I wrote, anyone who is honest and intelligent knows these to be facts. You are clearly unintelligent, dishonest or both.

Just because he didn't call all women fat doesn't mean that he didn't call some women fat. He absolutely did call some women fat and yes they are disgruntled about it.

He is guilty of the charges leveled against him by the athletics and anti-doping authorities. They are not criminal charges, but his is guilty of the charges they brought. He is guilty and was sanctioned, very lightly sanctioned.

It is a crime to give prescription drugs to someone if you are not licensed to. He did this and thus committed crimes and thus is a criminal. He evaded customs by mailing drugs (without a prescription) in hollowed out books. This is interstate and international drug trafficking and it is a crime and thus sleazy again is a criminal.

Those are actual laws that were broken, by a criminal. That is the reality, the reality which you are either in denial of or are purposely trying to obfuscate. That's the real world of sleazy sal, a bully and a criminal.

FAT!!

https://youtu.be/aoMmbUmKN0E

I have made a few comments here and there, but I have purposely kelp my distance from going in too deep on the Mary Cain, Salazar, NOP discussion. I haven't read the Cain articles or watched the television shows. I wasn't interested! I am not a big fan of people continuing to blame other people for their misfortunes many years after the fact. From everything I know, it's very messy and instead on moving beyond it, some people want to keep it going. If you think NOP was bad and Salazar was guilty and deserved to be punished, you got what you wanted. NOP is no more and Salazar was sanctioned. Move on!

My thoughts on Mary Cain specifically. In 2015 her performances declined, while at the same time her weight was going up. Anyone who thinks a coach is suppose to ignore the obvious is crazy. As a coach, you have to be tactful in how you address a lot of things, but coaching requires doing the things to get athletes to perform at their best even if it is not what they want to here. At times you have to address rest, hydration, resistance training, drills, long runs, speed work, biomechanics and yes, weight lost and weight gain. Why on earth would you not tell an athlete what's affecting their performance when you know, and you know that they know, and they know that you know. Pretending you don't known something is being dishonest, which is one of the quickest ways to loose credibility with an athlete. You are not doing your job as a coach when you don't address what you clearly see as the problem. I looked at a 2016 photo of Cain and she clearly appeared to be growing into her women’s body, which is a good in the grand scheme of things, but not so much for running. That's the way it is sometimes! I've watched that occur with numerous female athletes I've coached. Albeit, I never set weight standards, but I have made them aware that they are carrying extra weight and worked with them on a nutrition plan. I've had athletes lose weight, get back on track and thank me. Sometimes a female body is ready for other things and for a time period a decline has to be accepted. Btw, My daughters participated in a sports where the whole team lined up and got on a scale once a week. And, if you research world class athletes 173cm/52 kg is not an abnormal size for a middle distance runners. Obviously I am not addressing the specifics of how Salazar addressed the weight issue, but it appears to me that the whole fat-shaming is a matter of interpretation. - My last thoughts are if NOP and Salazar are the source of your problems, why hasn't these athletes done better once they have moved on.

Separate Issue. Will Salazar coach again and will he have athletes. Yes, if he chooses to. Some athletes will choose not to work him because of his past, but some will overlook it and there are probably some who don’t think he should have been sanctioned. – Ask yourself; why would athletes choose not to work with one of the world greatest coaches.

Your entire post is literally a perfect example of the problem. You are fine with letting your daughters get weighed in front of their teammates? Maybe ask them how they feel about it. And then wait a few years. And then ask them how they felt about it in retrospect.

I am so tired of having to explain, that this wasn't an issue of nutrition where Mary Cain was involved. If you can't understand that, you probably need to re-educate yourself before you coach women again. Or maybe look a little deeper into the Cain story before spewing your opinion about it.

Mary was encouraged to eat just fruits and vegetables. Is this good advice? Mary was told she HAD to weight 114 pounds regardless of how she was running by Salazar who is not a health expert. Is this good coaching?

Do you think that because other women have been shamed and abused in sport, it's ok for it to continue? "Well theyyy dealt with it so whyyyy can't sheeeee"

Also, calling out abusers is always important to do otherwise abuse continues. She's not just placing blame. She's making the sport better because she is holding coaches accountable and challenging them to be better.

Didn’t Alberto dabble in the restaurant business as his own running career was winding down? If so, I would urge him to open not a Waffle House, but a Nike Oregon Waffle Racer House.

he's filthy wrote:

It is a crime to give prescription drugs to someone if you are not licensed to. He did this and thus committed crimes and thus is a criminal. He evaded customs by mailing drugs (without a prescription) in hollowed out books. This is interstate and international drug trafficking and it is a crime and thus sleazy again is a criminal.

Those are actual laws that were broken.

Wow. All that and the cops/FBI didn’t do anything. Must be a big time criminal. The horror.

All she does is complain and not run fast lol

Darren Treasure. wrote:

Your entire post is literally a perfect example of the problem. You are fine with letting your daughters get weighed in front of their teammates? Maybe ask them how they feel about it. And then wait a few years. And then ask them how they felt about it in retrospect.

So is the problem that she was gaining weight or the problem that he brought it to her attention? Should he ignore it? SHE said he called her fat but really, knowing young women, she HEARD fat but the reality was he was trying to be delicate about it?

You people are absolutely lying if you do not understand that gaining weight can negatively impact your running. There is a reason that the top women distance runners do not look like throwers (not calling them fat at all just that they are larger builds than distance runners). It is ignorant to think a thrower built like a distance runner can be successful. Are we to ignore it?

Your issue is that maybe he was being honest with her. Clearly she didn't want honesty.

I do not take her and her family's statements as fact. They are upset and disgruntled and it does not take a scientist to know exactly what to say to create drama.

Also, I am still waiting for a single police report on ANYTHING before we call the man a criminal. Everything is ALLEGED. Period. Zero actual proof.

Go back to bed snowflakes.

He was banned.

Darren Treasure. wrote:

He was banned.

Who cares? Your point?

He is a sh!tty human on top of being a cheater. I will root against anyone who chooses to associate with him.

Not So Casual Observer wrote:

Also, I am still waiting for a single police report on ANYTHING before we call the man a criminal. Everything is ALLEGED. Period. Zero actual proof.

I am waiting for a single police report on ANYTHING that Hitler was alleged to do. You cannot call Hitler a criminal until there is a police report that I have seen. Everything is alleged. Period. Zero actual proof. If I don't see a police report on Hitler then it didn't happen.

Next unrealistic and hyperbolic comparison you would like to make?

You are messing with the wrong PhD on this one.

Almost eeryone he coached at the time of the ban came to him knowing his reputation. What makes you think they and others will have been turned off by the ban?

For the large group of athletes who don't believe the allegations were serious or who actually want to use drugs, he's a reasonable choice.

Only cheater scum and women-haters would work with this cretin.

The obvious reply to this post is - who would be willing to be trained by the gossiping dumbasses of letsrun? I'd still pay to hear Salazar speak. Most of what's said here will never make anyone stronger.