Jordan Hasay is officially a flash in the pan

roller coaster wrote:

ketchuponmyketchup wrote:

This. Yeah, she's had sub-par performances recently, but she's still got a lot of raw talent. I'd love to see her get plugged in with a training group. Rooting for her.

Would any training group take an ex-Salazar athlete?

Rupp's training on his own. Murphy's training on his own. Hassan and Kejelcha seem to be training on their own. Farah's mostly on his own.

Serious question. Would anyone even take her? Seems people aren't exactly trying to get these athletes. Supposedly they didn't even want Murphy to join Pete Julian's group so they could distance themselves from Salazar.

Remember when she ran 2:20 and no other runner on social media acknowledged or congratulated her.

Yes. Obviously Yes. At least a few thousand coaches from just about any training group you can think of would take a talent like Hasay. Seems to be her choice to not train with a group - at least so far. Even with NOP she seemed to train on her own, just had AlSal writing her workouts and holding the stopwatch.

All these posts about weight... we don't really know what's going on in her head.

Some people can be healthy at low weights, some can't.

People have bones that weigh different amounts, different body structures, different genetics.

What's right for one person isn't right for another, so to see someone look like X and then think it will work for Y just simply doesn't work.

I hope she gets back on track soon, I would add my personal thoughts (actually not about weight) but it would probably get deleted...

Wehaveananswer wrote:

mask off wrote:

She's done. Too injury prone whatever the cause.

The cause is her weightlifting program.

I agree. American women lift too many weights. All you need is core and body weight stuff. Muscle weighs a lot, a distance person don't need the added muscle.

roller coaster wrote:

ketchuponmyketchup wrote:

This. Yeah, she's had sub-par performances recently, but she's still got a lot of raw talent. I'd love to see her get plugged in with a training group. Rooting for her.

Would any training group take an ex-Salazar athlete?

Rupp's training on his own. Murphy's training on his own. Hassan and Kejelcha seem to be training on their own. Farah's mostly on his own.

Serious question. Would anyone even take her? Seems people aren't exactly trying to get these athletes. Supposedly they didn't even want Murphy to join Pete Julian's group so they could distance themselves from Salazar.

Remember when she ran 2:20 and no other runner on social media acknowledged or congratulated her.

Ritz ran for Hansons and Des cried her eyes out.

Actually, I saw a few pros who liked or commented Jordan's IG post about her race yesterday. She's not this hated figure that some of you make her out to be.

Keira D'Amato will be a flash in the pan. Jordan already isn't. She may never reach her previous heights, but she already has accomplished more than most of the basement dwellers who post here.

Everyone likes her except for about 5 guys here.

I actually think you are right. There was a few jealous female marathoners that hated Hasay’s success. Now that Jordan is struggling those same biotches act like they are her friends

I mean, good on you & pats on the back for correcting this but you allow it to sit on the homepage (with the original title) & for folks to chime in & say awful things about JH. That isn't great.

Something not especially smooth in her stride leading up to the Valencia 'Thon.

Once AlSal starts coaching her again she'll be okay. Maybe?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIErziNnr0n/

She is limping.

Back in the day, the thread would be "Jordan Hasay is done". I guess now in the age of social media she has to be effectively cancelled by calling her a flash in the pan and ignoring all her successes.

Jordan is only 29. The marathon takes a huge toll on runners and it is very rare for top marathoners to be able to nail it year after year. Many have a few good races and then are broken and never come back. That may be where Hasay is headed. But others have been able to take the blows and work their way back. Meb was all but done when he had a stress fracture in his pelvis after the NYC marathon. But he battled back to get back into top form at a very late stage in his career. That is probably a similar situation to where Hasay is right now. She has been shaken by injuries and is having to completely rebuild. She may never regain her form or she may figure it out and be back in 2:20 shape for a fall marathon.

Definite hitch in her stride in some of the IG videos leading up to Valencia. Hopefully she can absorb the effort and resume base training in a few weeks healthy. She was able to improve by 4 minutes from the trials, not great but a step in the right direction. I'm intrigued to hear more about the absorption issue Paula mentioned. If that was of serious concern, getting that under control could make a huge difference in how effective her training is.

889 wrote:

track chick wrote:

All these posts about weight... we don't really know what's going on in her head.

Some people can be healthy at low weights, some can't.

People have bones that weigh different amounts, different body structures, different genetics.

What's right for one person isn't right for another, so to see someone look like X and then think it will work for Y just simply doesn't work.

I hope she gets back on track soon, I would add my personal thoughts (actually not about weight) but it would probably get deleted...

Must be about her coach. ;)

No, it wasn't specifically about her coach or anyone who advises her, it was more general but would rightly be deleted as who am I to criticise anything that really is private/personal for the athlete to make their own decisions on etc. Also, I'd say a lot of times people can say 'oh, it's down to this' that someone is running badly and it can actually be something else anyway.

Cool...my thread made the front page.

Agreed.

Jordan is a tremendous talent with an amazing resume going back many years. That can't be dismissed or taken away from her. Speculating why she has been running poorly, her coaches, and or any other "constructive" criticism is perfectly acceptable and I believe is the primary purpose of Let's Run.com.

That being said, Jordan is nearing the end of her career, and her primary goal should be to qualify for an Olympic team. How she achieves this is entirely up to her, she has many resources to make this happen and in the end, can only answer to herself as to her success. Unfortunately, in the world of running your career is validated by your success at U.S. National Championship events, participation in world championship events and most importantly making an Olympic Team. Running fast times and holding age group records are great, but in the end, you need to qualify for an Olympic Team.

"Go Run One"

You just have ot think the end is near for her career. Don't forget she has been running super intense mileage since the 6th grade so she is at the end of her shelf life as an athlete. It's kind of remarkable she made two successful comebacks. She was a wunderkin in 9th grade and mediocre by 12th. Came back and was collegiate star as a freshman and sophomore, then declined. Had a mediocre professional career then suddenly caught fire.

Jordan has not been 'amazing'. She was a phenom, to be sure, but just one of many.

She has had (by elite standards) a good but not great senior career. No international impression made at all. Road records at obscure distances only. I am suspicious of her 2:20. I do not see her achieving anything from here. Injury or not.

She seems like a good person. Her BIG mistake was associating with AlSal, for all the reasons parroted on LR. His reputation has been unchanged for decades, she chose to ignore the red flags regarding his personality and 'methods'. Bad Jordan!

maria_ wrote:

Actually, I saw a few pros who liked or commented Jordan's IG post about her race yesterday. She's not this hated figure that some of you make her out to be.

Keira D'Amato will be a flash in the pan. Jordan already isn't. She may never reach her previous heights, but she already has accomplished more than most of the basement dwellers who post here.

Hey! I'm in an attic. Not a basement.

She ran 74:26 less than a month ago for a flat out time trial with pacers.

A month later, she's gone through half way in a marathon in 74:23 (3 seconds faster) and then carried on with a 79:xx for a 2:33:51.

That's a decent improvement in fitness in a month. Roughly 2 minute half marathon improvement over her fitness a month ago I reckon.

Nobody said Jordan Hasay was a flash in the pan, not even the OP. Another classic clickbait thread title from Rojo.