BREAKING: NICO YOUNG Racing 5k (13:30 attempt) in early December

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5 years ago 11/27/2020 6:08pm EST

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
[quote]hshsuje wrote:
Amazing meet.
It looks like they dropped every single name on this list. It almost looks made up, that’s how good it is.[/quote
It's official. I must be getting old and cynical.
You type this exciting post and yet as I'm looking at these heats I'm thinking, "I definitely have never even heard of half of the guys in sub-13:30 heat. What about the sub-13:15 heat? We've got a big thread hyping a guy for running in the B heat of a race?"
Before I go too negative, I think it's an amazing thing that his race is scheduled and taking place. Kudos to the organizers and to the Internet for making this possible 25 years ago, this thing wouldn't exist.
But it's the year 2020, 13:30 is no longer a great time. I spent about 20 minutes trying to find the PRs of the guys listed in the sub-13:30 and sub 13:15 races. In the sub 13:30 race, I see one guy with a PB under 13:40. No one has broken 13:30. So if I"m Vegas, I put the over under of # of sub-13:30s in that race at 1.5.
For the sub-13:15 race, similarly, no one in hte field has broken 13:30 and only 1 has broken 13:20. Vegas would put the over under of # of sub 13:15s at 1.5 as well.
9:10 PM (sub 13:30)
Darius Terry 13:47
Jaret Carpenter 1343
Fearghai Curtain 13;52 (tfrrs)
Will Paulson 14;40
Andrew Jordan 13:44
Jason Intravaia 14:30
David Goodman 13:49
Austen Dalquist 13:50
Kasey Knevelbaardn13:50
Nico Young 13:50
Casey Clinger
Vince Ciattei 14:41
Cameron Griffith 13:52
Cory Leslie 13;38
Jamaine Coleman 13:50
Michael Jordan 14:13
Barry Keane 13;58
Elias Geydon
Tim McGowan 13:54
Ehab El-Sandali 13:52
Christopher Olley 13:40
Tom Anderson 14;10
Charlie Hunter 14:04?
10:00 PM (sub 13:15)
Kirubel Erassa 13:17
Tesfu Teweide 13;29
Brian Barraza 13:31
Jose Perez ??
Jeffrey Thies 13:38
Sam Prakel 13:48
Andrew Jordan 13:44
Mark Parrish 13:45
Drew Hunter 13:21
Sam Parsons 13:22
Josef Tessema 13:22
Sam Atkin 13:23
Charles Philibert-Thiboutot 13:30
Obsa Ali 13:43
Eric Avila 13:43
Luis Grijalva 13:29
Jean-Simon Desgagnes 13:56
Emmanuel Bor 13:20
Ben Blankenship 13:33
Jacob Heslington 13:55
Cooper Teare 13:32
All of that being said, I'm glad Nico is in the sub-13:30 race and not sub-13:15 race.

So not one runner in the sub13:30 race has sub-13:30 credentials and not one runner in the sub-13"15 race has sub-13"15 credentials. I doubt that will change.

5 years ago 11/28/2020 9:51pm EST

re: @TheRunningEffect

Does anyone know if this is cancelled now due to LA being locked down??? Also if it goes on, will there be a livestream?

5 years ago 11/29/2020 9:58am EST

re: amchugh89

All that know him, knows he doped in Ethiopia. This old, below average conference runner went to his homeland for 6 weeks and came back to run 13:22. Usada started chasing him, he started skipping races until clean and DNF at outdoor 2019 championships.

5 years ago 11/30/2020 12:08pm EST

re: Aussiestatman

Aussiestatman wrote:
Rojo, I am assessing the top 10000 women’s field here to get a top 5. I’ll have it done soon after the Delhi half tomorrow.

I am about half way through and so far Brenda Flores of Mexico ahead of Elaina Tabb then Kellyn Taylor and Laura Thweatt. The other half may change things. Alia Gray among them as well.

5 years ago 11/30/2020 2:09pm EST

re: sloe exotic

sloe exotic wrote:
Does anyone know if this is cancelled now due to LA being locked down??? Also if it goes on, will there be a livestream?

race got moved to arizona, don't know exactly where though

5 years ago 11/30/2020 2:21pm EST

re: Rocket Mann

Rocket Mann wrote:
The 10k fields look pretty stacked too!
I'll add the PRs for these guys that I can find. It seems kinda crazy that this many people are going for sub 27:30, given that there's a sub 28 field too
10:05 PM (sub 27:30)
Abdisamed Abdi - I think he broke 29, his page won't load on World Athletics
Alex Masai - 14:00/29:39
Alex Monroe - 13:36/28:17/61:50
Ben True - 7:35/13:02/27:41 his longer distance PRs are pretty old but he's been running fast the past couple years
Biya Simbassa - 13:25/27:45
Brogan Austin - 29:02/61:52
Clayton Young - 13:31/28:18 TFRRS
Connor Winter - 13:35/28:21
Edward Cheserek - 3:49i/13:04/27:42
Eric Jenkins - 13:07/27:48
Frank Lara - 28:10/61:50
Futsum Zienasellassie - 13:34/27:52/61:54
Geoffrey Kipchumba - 14:19/28:19
Hassan Mead - 13:02/27:32
Hilary Bor - 13:26
Jacob Thompson - 13:41/28:40 TFRRS
Jake Riley - 13:32/27:59/2:10 Good to see him going for a fast 10k time keeping sharp for the Olypics :)
Joe Klecker - 7:47i/13:28
Lawi Lalang - 13:00/28:03 5k pr is from 2013, 10k from last year. Hope they run well in this
Leonard Korir - 13:15/27:20/59:57/2:07 This guy has great range
Patrick Tiernan - 13:12/27:29/61
Reed Fischer - 28:23/61:37 Hoping he gets a big 10k pr since he's dropping so much in distance
Robert Brandt - 13:26/28:22
Sam Chelanga - 13:09/27:08/60:27 Been 10 years since his PR, hope he runs under 27:30
Reid Buchanan - 13:27/27:58
Tyler Day - 13:16i/28:04 I think he has a good shot at breaking 27:30 given his college record last year
Girma Mecheso - 13:34/27:49 5k pr from 2012 and 10k from this year, he's been going strong for a while
Connor McMillan - 13:38/28:09/2:12 This guy sounds really familiar
Augustus Maiyo - 13:53/28:49 This guy's 5k pr is 15 years old shoutout to him, and came 5th in the marathon trials
Zach Panning - 13:37/28:16
Morgan McDonald - 13:15/29:26 He's really moving up in distance dang
I think the favorites to break 27:30 are: Ben True, Cheserek, Jenkins, Mead, Riley maybe, Lalang, Korir, Tiernan, Fischer maybe, Chelanga maybe, Day, and McDonald based off of PRs and what I remember off the top of my head. As long as the pacing is good, I think at least 3-5 people are gonna break 27:30.

No chance Fischer breaks 27:30, and I wouldn’t put Riley as a maybe, he’s definitely better than or as good as Jenkins/ Tiernan / Day / McDonald if he’s anywhere near trials shape. Also, Thompson has better PRs than listed iirc.

5 years ago 11/30/2020 8:38pm EST

re: @TheRunningEffect

Interested to see how Anthony Rotich does, he was running really well, I could see him under 27:30

5 years ago 11/30/2020 8:43pm EST

re: sloe exotic

sloe exotic wrote:
Does anyone know if this is cancelled now due to LA being locked down??? Also if it goes on, will there be a livestream?

https://track-meet.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=news&event_id=14155&news_id=610477

5 years ago 11/30/2020 9:02pm EST

re: per strava

per strava wrote:
mike smith nau wrote:
Anyone know why they aren’t racing?
Mantz is injured

What a shocker

5 years ago 11/30/2020 9:48pm EST

re: 6

6 wrote:
per strava wrote:
Mantz is injured
What a shocker

Spoiler alert, he's not actually injured he just wants to redshirt another season.

All jokes aside hope he makes a quick return for winter ncaa indoor/xc season

5 years ago 12/02/2020 3:42pm EST

re: Aussiestatman

Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Rojo, I am assessing the top 10000 women’s field here to get a top 5. I’ll have it done soon after the Delhi half tomorrow.
I am about half way through and so far Brenda Flores of Mexico ahead of Elaina Tabb then Kellyn Taylor and Laura Thweatt. The other half may change things. Alia Gray among them as well.

One thing for sure: Laura Galvin takes 60-90 sec off a PB of 34.43.

5 years ago 12/02/2020 3:48pm EST

re: Aussiestatman

Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
I am about half way through and so far Brenda Flores of Mexico ahead of Elaina Tabb then Kellyn Taylor and Laura Thweatt. The other half may change things. Alia Gray among them as well.
One thing for sure: Laura Galvin takes 60-90 sec off a PB of 34.43.

One thing for sure: who cares.

5 years ago 12/02/2020 3:57pm EST

re: captaindumbas

How can a question be a certainty? You asked the question, "who cares?", and failed to use proper punctuation. There are many people who will answer your question that they care and there are many that will answer that they don't care. I think you need an English lesson. Did you attend a D2 college?

5 years ago 12/02/2020 4:50pm EST

re: Oldie and not goodie

Oldie and not goodie wrote:
How can a question be a certainty? You asked the question, "who cares?", and failed to use proper punctuation. There are many people who will answer your question that they care and there are many that will answer that they don't care. I think you need an English lesson. Did you attend a D2 college?

I attended a better D1 school and running program than you did and that’s for sure. Nobody cares about women’s running on this thread.

5 years ago 12/02/2020 4:56pm EST

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
For the sub-13:15 race, similarly, no one in hte field has broken 13:30 .

Classic Rojo.

5 years ago 12/02/2020 4:59pm EST

re: captaindumbas

You should have stated that then instead of asking the question. And you are incorrect. Shelby Houlihan will garner some interest.

Your certainty on things is very questionable. How could you know that you went to a better school than me and it had a better team? Did you go to Stanford? I still beat you on being on a better team most years. If not Stanford, my school is probably better than yours also.

5 years ago 12/02/2020 6:08pm EST

re: captaindumbas

captaindumbas wrote:
Oldie and not goodie wrote:
How can a question be a certainty? You asked the question, "who cares?", and failed to use proper punctuation. There are many people who will answer your question that they care and there are many that will answer that they don't care. I think you need an English lesson. Did you attend a D2 college?
I attended a better D1 school and running program than you did and that’s for sure. Nobody cares about women’s running on this thread.

I don’t get it. Why do distance fans not care about half the athletes?

5 years ago 12/02/2020 8:18pm EST

re: Aussiestatman

Aussiestatman wrote:
captaindumbas wrote:
I attended a better D1 school and running program than you did and that’s for sure. Nobody cares about women’s running on this thread.
I don’t get it. Why do distance fans not care about half the athletes?

Might be apples to oranges here but it’s somewhat similar to why people care more about the NBA opposed to the WNBA

5 years ago 12/02/2020 10:45pm EST

re: captaindumbas

captaindumbas wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
I don’t get it. Why do distance fans not care about half the athletes?
Might be apples to oranges here but it’s somewhat similar to why people care more about the NBA opposed to the WNBA

I understand it in basketball but I think women’s distance running is more spectacular than the men. The gap in athleticism is less between genders than between born in East Africa v elsewhere, IMO.

5 years ago 12/02/2020 11:17pm EST

re: Aussiestatman

I dont really understand your comment.

Name one woman that could win a single serious mens running race the past 10 years.

Bridgid Kosgei is OTHER WORLDLY. She is an insane athlete. She is more of an outlier than Eliud Kipchoge. However, what world marathon majors would she win? The 2019 world championship (run in 85 degrees) was won in 2:10. Callum Hawkins (a non-east african runner) was 15 seconds behind the winner.

Galen Rupp won a bronze medal in the olympics and he won chicago. He is not east african.

There is a WAY bigger gap between mens and womens running than between East african and non-east african running. White people win medals in mens races. A woman could not win a medal in a mens race.

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