Nadal shows doping at the top of tennis

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Some will be. Doping isnt confined to the best - who are often the most experienced - but the best will likely be doping. That's how you now get to be the best. It has changed the sport. Where once players over 30 were supplanted by the younger generation the younger players can't break through in this era. They are playing athletes who don't age. We are seeing it in all sports, and yet it is a quite recent phenomenon.

So Nadal was not doping when Schwartzman beat him a few weeks ago? Or Schwartzman was using better stuff then but not at the FO?

Nadal always aims to peak at the French. At Rome he hadn't peaked. Schwartzman and Djokovic were at much the same level for both tournaments. Nadal is always at a higher level - faster stronger and better - at the French than any other tournament. And that includes other clay tournaments, where he is quite often beaten. But in Paris he is virtually unbeatable. Yet that is not so anywhere else during the year. He "cycles" more consistently than any other player I have ever seen.

Nadal is a better player than Djoker. He will end his career with the most Grand Slams for men. It is what it is. Doping? Maybe but he is not alone.

Gunters wrote:

Nadal is a better player than Djoker. He will end his career with the most Grand Slams for men. It is what it is. Doping? Maybe but he is not alone.

If you look at their records for every surface other than clay, Djokovic kills Nadal. A far more versatile player with more majors on a greater variety of surfaces and tournaments. That's why he is no.1 and Nadal isn't.

jokerbytch itself has been accused of ped's. it used to have serious issues with endurance, then switched to a vegan diet and now no issues in over a decade. not once, regardless of it's overall condition, endurance is always great. hmm

but yes nadal is a dirty phuq too

Horses for courses.. Nadal is a fast plough horse suited for working in clay.

Borg used to never get tired either.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The 34 year old Spaniard is destroying the world No.1 Djokovic in the final of the French Open. 6-0 in the first set. No player at this stage of their career can be physically so dominant and over a player of Djokovic's calibre.

I didn't realize Djokovic's poor first serve accuracy and all his unforced errors were the product of Nadal doping...

Armstronglivs wrote:

Gunters wrote:

Nadal is a better player than Djoker. He will end his career with the most Grand Slams for men. It is what it is. Doping? Maybe but he is not alone.

If you look at their records for every surface other than clay, Djokovic kills Nadal. A far more versatile player with more majors on a greater variety of surfaces and tournaments. That's why he is no.1 and Nadal isn't.

I've already said it, a Federer/Nadal in TOP shape playing A-game destroys Djokovic. Follow the sport. Djokovic is the MOST consistent player, he always plays his A-game or close to it.

Nadal and Federer are not as consistent, they don't have the same drive anymore to give 100% each game/tourney and also their bodies can't maintain a peak throughout a whole year.

Nadal lost a no-name tourney no one cares about against Schwartzman on clay, great. His life is gonna be over. No, but in French Open, where he really wants to win again he plays just so good no one even stands a chance. And it's not just the technical skills/strength, it's also his experience. Nadal often stops rallies when he thinks the ball was out, and every time the referee checks Nadal was right. Also when he challenges calls. You could see at the end of the final yesterday Djokovic was almost crying/being desperate cos Nadal was on fire again with his calls. It takes massive confidence to not return a ball despite no one calling out because you think it was out and get it checked.

What a lot of people also don't understand is that Nadal is one of the only players that actually get better as a game goes on. Because he is older, he takes a bit to warm up, as you could see in the semi-finals where he struggled in the first set against Sinner before stomping him in 2&3. Once he gets rolling it's game over for the opponent. Nadal's stats for French Open when being ahead 2-0 in sets is 63-0 or something, 100% win rate.

Tennis is a technical sport, where experience is an advantage. The younger guys are arguably stronger physically, but they can't handle pressure as well as the big 3. No reason to think the top guys are doping, like someone said, having millions and the best physio/massage etc. in the world does help too.

Dope Hardstrong wrote:

Horses for courses.. Nadal is a fast plough horse suited for working in clay.

Borg used to never get tired either.

True but they weren't playing the same kind of game. Borg used wood racquets that didn't have today's power. The rally was slower. He was more like a middle distance runner on a tennis court, whereas Nadal plays like a 400m runner who can sustain it for a marathon.

A few years ago Agassi said after a Nadal match, that he had seen "marathon matches before, but never matches where players sprinted for a marathon". It doesn't take much to join those dots.

asdsasdasddsaa wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The 34 year old Spaniard is destroying the world No.1 Djokovic in the final of the French Open. 6-0 in the first set. No player at this stage of their career can be physically so dominant and over a player of Djokovic's calibre.

I didn't realize Djokovic's poor first serve accuracy and all his unforced errors were the product of Nadal doping...

It was also due to the pressure put on his game by an opponent who returned everything, got to every ball and never missed. Djokovic couldn't find a way through Nadal's game, so he overplayed and missed - as so many of Nadal's opponents do. But to play the way Nadal does, point after point, day after day, year after year, with no signs of aging, takes rocket fuel that would land a satellite on Mars.

mr. nice guy wrote:

jokerbytch itself has been accused of ped's. it used to have serious issues with endurance, then switched to a vegan diet and now no issues in over a decade. not once, regardless of it's overall condition, endurance is always great. hmm

but yes nadal is a dirty phuq too

So when Nadal wipes a likely doped player like Djokovic it cries out that he, too, is juiced to the gills.

Your argument could just as easily be that Nadal's superior performance at the French compared with other tournaments is the result of his doping. (And the Rome Masters is a big tournament, being only a level beneath a major; Nadal would sure as hell have wanted to win it.)

You aren't really correct about consistency; Federer and Djokovic have overall the most consistent results and hold most of the records - off-clay Nadal is not their match. Playing style should not be confused with results.

Nadal has been the subject of speculation about doping in a way no other player has - for years. I don't see how his game is possible without it.

Nadal is 34 years old, you think that's old in a skill-based sport?

Carlos Lopes won GOLD in the marathon at 38-years old. Geb and Kipchoge dominated with a real age above 40. Lagat is still crushing in his mid 40s.

And running is WAY less about skill/experience than tennis, and even more about raw physical ability. Look at other sports with skill/endurance component, Zidane was still the best player in world championship 2006 with 34-years old.

Federer who speaks out against doping 24/7 and wants stricter testing won a grand slam at 36 years old. And he is still competing at 38 years old.

Also, tennis has much stricter testing than track. They need to be available for testing 1 hour each day 365 days of a year. Nadal even offered to publicize all of his doping test results. Sure, there are cases like Sharapova but we shouldn't automatically assume that every good, skilled player is doping.

Should be pointed out, that Nadal plays fewer events now (as does Fed) and has hardly played at all this year. Also, Joker was outhitting Nadal as far as MPH, but just making a huge amount more errors. Sure, one or both of them could be on stuff, as could half the tour, but I don't think that explains today's result. Nadal played virtually flawlessly, and Joker made too many errors in the match until the 3rd set, which was very competitive. At some point fairly late in the match they said Nadal had returned all but 2 serves-- one of which was an ace. When you are the #1 player in tennis and all of your serves come back in play, you are doomed. Don't know if it was the change in balls, or the cooler weather, but between the lack of unforced errors and return game, you have the explanation for the entire match.

if you actually compare nadals game now to his game of 10 yrs ago, you will much difference, he is not as fast now, not quite as athletic (but still great), his serve is better, he does not (or cant) run as much now, his tactics are better now, and he has much more experience now, so in some ways he is now better, in some ways not; in short , his game has evolved with age

They're both likely doping. Djokovic seems to have unlimited stamina.

You kind of lost me when you talk about a 34 year old clay court specialist beating a 33 year old whose best surface is grass and acting like it must be drugs.

And acting like the number 1 player in the world must be the clean one doesn't help.

Star wrote:

You kind of lost me when you talk about a 34 year old clay court specialist beating a 33 year old whose best surface is grass and acting like it must be drugs.

And acting like the number 1 player in the world must be the clean one doesn't help.

Yeah, none of what he has written is compelling.

None.

For a guy who claims to know the game, he sure doesn’t talk like it.

Having said that, they could both easily be doing something.

Armstronglivs,

This might be the dumbest logic I've ever read on here. I'm trying to understand your logic- if there is any

Are you saying that Nadal only dopes for the French Open? If doping is why he dominated yesterday, then why wouldn't he also dope at tournaments not named the French Open and dominate there?

Your logic seems to be missing.

Maybe even better is that his alleged doping makes him the best on only the slow surface that tends to neutralize any advantage due to superior fitness.