Is Jakob Ingebrigtsen FINISHED?

This kid just ran a PR of 3:28! He is only 19! Hopefully he could medal in the Olympics. I think he will be ready in 2021.

Heres Jonny wrote:

OK so you wrote that “it’s possible that no Kenyan could run under 3:35 clean.” Well you are confessing again to being a White Supremacist. You say that Jakob is clean and that it is possible then that Jakob is at least 7 seconds faster at 1500m than any Kenyan who has ever lived. You are admitting that you are a White Supremacist, but one wonders why it is almost always the stupid people like you who are White Supremacists.

Why do you woke doping apologists here sound like screeching imbeciles?

The national record of Nigeria for 1500m is 3:42. That's 14 seconds slower than Tim. 16 seconds slower than Lagat. Nigeria has a population almost 4 times the size of Kenya.

Reality is racist towards Nigerians, because the reality is Tim is 14 seconds faster than the fastest ever Nigerian who has ever lived.

Coevett wrote:

Heres Jonny wrote:

OK so you wrote that “it’s possible that no Kenyan could run under 3:35 clean.” Well you are confessing again to being a White Supremacist. You say that Jakob is clean and that it is possible then that Jakob is at least 7 seconds faster at 1500m than any Kenyan who has ever lived. You are admitting that you are a White Supremacist, but one wonders why it is almost always the stupid people like you who are White Supremacists.

Why do you woke doping apologists here sound like screeching imbeciles?

The national record of Nigeria for 1500m is 3:42. That's 14 seconds slower than Tim. 16 seconds slower than Lagat. Nigeria has a population almost 4 times the size of Kenya.

Reality is racist towards Nigerians, because the reality is Tim is 14 seconds faster than the fastest ever Nigerian who has ever lived.

Are you really that obtuse? You are comparing Nigeria to Kenya? Educate yourself. Distance running has been almost a way of life in Kenya, not so much in Nigeria. You really appear to be a caricature of the racist ignoramus.

This is based on nothing. Garage post.

1.) The kid has shown big improvement 3 years in a row, and he just ran like a 2 second PR in the 1500. What about a HUGE PR makes you think "ahh he's peaked"?

2.) He and his brothers do very little speed. His strength is mostly in his aerobic engine. He's not Jim Ryun or Nigel Amos hammering speed and crazy workouts, and he's not Gerry Lindgren pounding 250mpw. Also, he's practically never hurt so obviously his body's handling it very well. His room for growth is significantly higher than someone who just hammers speed.

So.... what makes you think he's peaked? A hunch?

Coevett wrote:

Just to clarify- when I said it's possible no Kenyan has ran under 3:35 clean, I meant just that. That doping is so confirmed rampant in Kenya that all elite performances are suspect, just as all Russian performances are suspect, just as all GDR performances are suspect (except to Rekrunner).

Just to clarify, contrary to your suggestion otherwise, I suspect many Russian athletes doped, as well as many GDR athletes of the '80s.

Except for a small proportion of women, they didn't run particularly all time fast.

Apparently Russia has been doping for 40 years.

Do you have a supporting link to the confirmed rampant doping prevalence statistics by country/nationality? Thanks in advance.

Heres Jonny wrote:

I look at Jakob and I see a fairly young runner who has essentially maxed out. He may end up running 3:28, 7:30, 12:55 and 26:55. However, I think he is fairly close to that now and I just do not see his arc of improvement yielding much, if anything, beyond the above times. It is still a great career for the young man but there just doesn’t seem to be much room for improvement.

Jakob certainly matured early, but he should still have a few good years left in him.

starts busting out pr's and now people think he's washed up? wtf

cpkaz91 wrote:

starts busting out pr's and now people think he's washed up? wtf

Look at the trajectory of most runners. Please tell me you can grasp this concept. Look at most of them. They set some personal best times. The morons then expect it to continue. It doesn’t. Please tell me you can grasp this. When Kenenisa ran 12:37 there was some moron named VIPAM who kept insisting Kenenisa would run faster. VIPAM had plenty of moronic company. It happens with everybody sooner or later. Please pay attention.

Starting to think “here’s Jonny” may be Mo Farah...lil sour after seeing the teenager steal your European record, eh?!

Heres Jonny wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Why do you woke doping apologists here sound like screeching imbeciles?

The national record of Nigeria for 1500m is 3:42. That's 14 seconds slower than Tim. 16 seconds slower than Lagat. Nigeria has a population almost 4 times the size of Kenya.

Reality is racist towards Nigerians, because the reality is Tim is 14 seconds faster than the fastest ever Nigerian who has ever lived.

Are you really that obtuse? You are comparing Nigeria to Kenya? Educate yourself. Distance running has been almost a way of life in Kenya, not so much in Nigeria. You really appear to be a caricature of the racist ignoramus.

Distance running has been a way of life in Japan for many but I don't see any sub 3:30 guys from there on the horizon. Perhaps if Italian and Spanish coaches and managers transplanted there en masse with their EPO syringes after hearing athletes can avoid tests with a little tea money? Too bad Japan doesn't have a tea money culture and all the shady European managers are investing in Uganda instead.

Your thread might be the most stupid 'serious' running thread ever posted here and you're calling me stupid. Even most of my or Jakob's haters would agree the idea Jakob is 'finished' after setting huge PBs at four different distances is pathetic.

Education matters. When I write that running was almost a way of life in Kenya, and you bring up Japan, it is palpably clear you do not understand. Please educate yourself.

Heres Jonny wrote:

Education matters. When I write that running was almost a way of life in Kenya, and you bring up Japan, it is palpably clear you do not understand. Please educate yourself.

I don't disagree that distance running is a way of life in Kenya or rather a way out of poverty. Kenya is the only country in the world where nearly all athletic (as in good at sports) youngsters are funnelled into distance running. I've pointed this out many times. Given the size and youth of Kenya's population, their lack of obesity and First World lifestyles, as well as other advantages, it's surprising they don't utterly dominate distance running.

I have no doubt that with their participation numbers and all the other factors such as low body fats due to lifestyle, Kenya can produce a slew of 3:33/3:34 runners. All it would take is a rampant doping culture, which Kenya objectively has, to turn a few of those into sub 3:30.

Look at the wild difference in the way the Japanese public responded to immediate social collapse caused by an earthquake to that of the Haitians. That's culture (including poverty). If Japan has a strict anti-doping culture where very few athletes cheat and Kenya has the opposite, it explains why Japan can produce so many sub elite marathoners, while Kenya produces so many elite.

If a doping culture in Japan emerged and there were repeated busts alongside Japan producing lots of sub 2:05 marathoners, it would not be racist to suggest we don't know if a Japanese marathoner has run under 2:05 clean. ( in fact I can bet you that the 'anti-racists' here would be the first to do so, just as they would if Ukranians or such suddenly started dominating and taking away the medals of their African heroes).

Coevett wrote:

Kenya is the only country in the world where nearly all athletic (as in good at sports) youngsters are funnelled into distance running. I've pointed this out many times.

This is completely wrong.

But the other guy is wrong too because you don't need to educate yourself, you are well aware of this. You just need to stop lying.

Coevett wrote:

I have no doubt that with their participation numbers and all the other factors such as low body fats due to lifestyle, Kenya can produce a slew of 3:33/3:34 runners. All it would take is a rampant doping culture, which Kenya objectively has, to turn a few of those into sub 3:30.

So only through doping can a Kenyan run sub 3:30 but Coe, Cram, Wightman and J. Ingebrigtsen can do it clean...

KAV wrote:

Heres Jonny wrote:

I look at Jakob and I see a fairly young runner who has essentially maxed out. He may end up running 3:28, 7:30, 12:55 and 26:55. However, I think he is fairly close to that now and I just do not see his arc of improvement yielding much, if anything, beyond the above times. It is still a great career for the young man but there just doesn’t seem to be much room for improvement.

There are a lot of dumb anonymous threads around here but this is fairly up there at the top....

Jonny, Jonny.... time to step away from that keyboard

Where is my Johnny?

Pajac wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Kenya is the only country in the world where nearly all athletic (as in good at sports) youngsters are funnelled into distance running. I've pointed this out many times.

This is completely wrong.

But the other guy is wrong too because you don't need to educate yourself, you are well aware of this. You just need to stop lying.

Most kenyans do not care a dime about athletics. Ask 100 boys age ten and nobody have even heard about Tim. Messi however...

Coevett wrote:

Kenya is the only country in the world where nearly all athletic (as in good at sports) youngsters are funnelled into distance running. I've pointed this out many times.

And what exactly is the point here?

Jakob maxing out? Are you high?

He's not even close to maxing out. He's breaking junior records left and right, but it's not like he's smashing any records by some huge margin, and his progression is super consistent, showing no signs that he might burn out anytime in the near future. He also demonstrates more and more discipline every time he races.

Not only is he not finished, he's the only one in the field right now with a legitimate chance to take El Guerrouj's records by the time he does finish.

Are you kidding___ wrote:

He's breaking junior records left and right

He is not. He is not a junior anymore.