coach of coach wrote:
Talented but don't get too excited. I have had freshmen in high school run that fast on almost no training who never ran faster than 14:30 in college on 80MPW.
What have you achieved as a coach?
coach of coach wrote:
Talented but don't get too excited. I have had freshmen in high school run that fast on almost no training who never ran faster than 14:30 in college on 80MPW.
What have you achieved as a coach?
4 state XC titles.
Jan Stensson , Coach JS wrote:
footballbarcelonaa wrote:
Thanks for feedback everyone. didn't think I would get this much interest to be honest lol!
I think Matt is going to join the local track club and do some off season cross country type training. I showed him this message board to check out as well.
To address a couple of the questions:
"Is there a video? I'd love this to be true, but this is the internet..."
- nah we didn't video it - there seem to be a lot of nice people on this website but also a lot of harsh critics so didn't want to get insulted or something if people know where we're running, who we are etc.
"I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that he ran 11.5 laps but thought he ran 12.5."
- nah, my coach and assistant coach were counting down the laps for everyone. He definitely ran 12.5
"Does the guy like running? He could be a one in a billion talent, but if he'd rather play soccer than run races, there is no sense trying to get him to switch sports, unless he's motivated by the allure of success and isn't already a soccer super star."
- he likes running and soccer but his passion is mountaineering. I told him running probably wouldn't interfere with that.
"100% troll. There's a few tells but the biggest giveaway is the OP pretending not to know anything about distance running."
- i don't know anything about distance running - how does that make me a troll?
"Yes, add to it the screen name and the fact that the football friend who ran a fast time also knows that the elites run 12/13 minutes."
- after he killed us in that race we looked up "5000m world record" and found out fast times
"Anonymous MB with no registered name, no app to support time. Do yourself, friend, and running virtually a favor post the results on Strava, YT, etc. Have a lap counter."
- yeah I just don't want to post under my real name and get insulted/shot down - it's already happening under an anon name! What's Strava? It looks like a biking GPS App? Like a lap counter for shoes or a person counting laps? Both our coaches were counting laps
"Just did a 5K time trial"....then a few hours later does a mile time trial. At least wait a day or two......"
- 5k was 3 days ago. I guess "just" meant recently this week. So 3 days in between so we were super well rested for todays workout
Sounds to be true to me.I`ll make an offer. If he`s prepared to quit football and make a try to see how fast he can improve in running with world class low mileage training 5-6 sessions per week ,
I`ll coach him for free. If interested he can contact me at my official email ;
magic@coachjs.sePs! And there will still be room for his passion mountaineering on the days off and maybe some more.
I'd recommend this to your friend. Coach JS specializes in low-mileage training, which would really suit someone like your friend, who runs so fast off limited training. Since he has never really trained running, high mileage is a recipe for disaster.
hansen9952 wrote:
I'm a little confused though. If he really was this talented, how did he not discover his potential earlier? It's not hard to accidentally realize how fast you are.
Lots of potential and talent gets missed, in every sport.
We like to think of sports, running included, as a meritocracy where the talented get recognized and promoted. But, the talent scouting system, particularly in the USA, just is not very well developed.
There are lots and lots of people who - because of their various circumstances - never get the change to compete in an event that gets them noticed, who are devoted to the wrong sport, etc.
For example, my senior year of high school we had two kids on our team that were both ran 49-50 seconds in the 400m. But, their 40m dash times were right around 4.4 (measured at a Div 2 college with a laser timer). Those 40m dash times suggest that their potential was much greater than their performances on the track. But, being at a small, rural school in Missouri with poor facilities, poor coaching, and poor training, neither of those kids got even a hint of interest from any college. Not even from the Div 2 school where they ran their timed 40m dash.
Those kids may never have turned into elite runners, but there was really good talent there that went entirely unexplored. Those kids didn't even realize that they had talent and good potential.
footballbarcelonaa wrote:
- he likes running and soccer but his passion is mountaineering. I told him running probably wouldn't interfere with that.
Point him towards Kilian Jornet ... lots of ultramarathon & mountaineering videos about him on YouTube
ajhahn wrote:
hansen9952 wrote:
I'm a little confused though. If he really was this talented, how did he not discover his potential earlier? It's not hard to accidentally realize how fast you are.
Lots of potential and talent gets missed, in every sport.
We like to think of sports, running included, as a meritocracy where the talented get recognized and promoted. But, the talent scouting system, particularly in the USA, just is not very well developed.
There are lots and lots of people who - because of their various circumstances - never get the change to compete in an event that gets them noticed, who are devoted to the wrong sport, etc.
For example, my senior year of high school we had two kids on our team that were both ran 49-50 seconds in the 400m. But, their 40m dash times were right around 4.4 (measured at a Div 2 college with a laser timer). Those 40m dash times suggest that their potential was much greater than their performances on the track. But, being at a small, rural school in Missouri with poor facilities, poor coaching, and poor training, neither of those kids got even a hint of interest from any college. Not even from the Div 2 school where they ran their timed 40m dash.
Those kids may never have turned into elite runners, but there was really good talent there that went entirely unexplored. Those kids didn't even realize that they had talent and good potential.
That would be 40 yards, not meters and 4.4 is fast enough to be an NFL wide receiver or cornerback.
Are you sure it wasn't 52:21?
ex-runner wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
100% troll. There's a few tells but the biggest giveaway is the OP pretending not to know anything about distance running.
Yes, add to it the screen name and the fact that the football friend who ran a fast time also knows that the elites run 12/13 minutes.
And how fast the local collegiates run.
The other most obvious tell is that someone suggests he runs a time trial, and then it only takes him 58 minutes to gather his friend, convince him to do it, and report back. (Shocking! No video or strava and there never will be.)
Second most obvious tell is that 24 year old rec soccer players aren't doing 5K time trials and 10K runs with regularly with their team and with their coaches timing them, let alone during coronavirus. (Not in the USA, in Europe there may be serious amateur clubs for this age but his character is obviously USA based)
Hardloper wrote:
The other most obvious tell is that someone suggests he runs a time trial, and then it only takes him 58 minutes to gather his friend, convince him to do it, and report back.
Hansen asked him to run it 2.5 hours before he posted the results, not 58 minutes. And he already said he was doing a session that day.
Nobody can possibly believe this right? Not that the premise isn’t possible but this is the clearest troll thread I have ever seen. Come on guys...
antinoqe wrote:
Hansen asked him to run it 2.5 hours before he posted the results, not 58 minutes. And he already said he was doing a session that day.
Right. I believe the OP, and see no reason not to.
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Apparently Wejo is not enforcing the new guidelines, because almost every thread is full of name calling, and very little substance from the name calling posters.
hmmm here is a question wrote:
Where was this track?
West Wyoming.
So the OP knows nothing about distance running but knows enough to come to letsrun.com to post these results on the message board? But at the same time doesn't know what Strava is? This is 100% a troll. If you had a friend who you suddenly realized was amazing at wrestling would you even have the vaguest idea of what wrestling site message board on which to post this amazing finding? No, of course not.
coach of coach wrote:
4 state XC titles.
Hawaii?
KeepOnTrollin' wrote:
So the OP knows nothing about distance running but knows enough to come to letsrun.com to post these results on the message board? But at the same time doesn't know what Strava is? This is 100% a troll. If you had a friend who you suddenly realized was amazing at wrestling would you even have the vaguest idea of what wrestling site message board on which to post this amazing finding? No, of course not.
Maybe it's Jamin trollin us?
KeepOnTrollin' wrote:
So the OP knows nothing about distance running but knows enough to come to letsrun.com to post these results on the message board? But at the same time doesn't know what Strava is? This is 100% a troll. If you had a friend who you suddenly realized was amazing at wrestling would you even have the vaguest idea of what wrestling site message board on which to post this amazing finding? No, of course not.
That is completely believable, if you didn't know anything about running but your friend ran really fast, you might google something like "world record 5k" or something similar and have LRC pop up. From there it's just exploring the site a bit.
I lean towards this not being true, but nothing he's said is utterly outside the realms of possibility.
Jan Stensson , Coach JS wrote:
footballbarcelonaa wrote:
Thanks for feedback everyone. didn't think I would get this much interest to be honest lol!
I think Matt is going to join the local track club and do some off season cross country type training. I showed him this message board to check out as well.
To address a couple of the questions:
"Is there a video? I'd love this to be true, but this is the internet..."
- nah we didn't video it - there seem to be a lot of nice people on this website but also a lot of harsh critics so didn't want to get insulted or something if people know where we're running, who we are etc.
"I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that he ran 11.5 laps but thought he ran 12.5."
- nah, my coach and assistant coach were counting down the laps for everyone. He definitely ran 12.5
"Does the guy like running? He could be a one in a billion talent, but if he'd rather play soccer than run races, there is no sense trying to get him to switch sports, unless he's motivated by the allure of success and isn't already a soccer super star."
- he likes running and soccer but his passion is mountaineering. I told him running probably wouldn't interfere with that.
"100% troll. There's a few tells but the biggest giveaway is the OP pretending not to know anything about distance running."
- i don't know anything about distance running - how does that make me a troll?
"Yes, add to it the screen name and the fact that the football friend who ran a fast time also knows that the elites run 12/13 minutes."
- after he killed us in that race we looked up "5000m world record" and found out fast times
"Anonymous MB with no registered name, no app to support time. Do yourself, friend, and running virtually a favor post the results on Strava, YT, etc. Have a lap counter."
- yeah I just don't want to post under my real name and get insulted/shot down - it's already happening under an anon name! What's Strava? It looks like a biking GPS App? Like a lap counter for shoes or a person counting laps? Both our coaches were counting laps
"Just did a 5K time trial"....then a few hours later does a mile time trial. At least wait a day or two......"
- 5k was 3 days ago. I guess "just" meant recently this week. So 3 days in between so we were super well rested for todays workout
Sounds to be true to me.I`ll make an offer. If he`s prepared to quit football and make a try to see how fast he can improve in running with world class low mileage training 5-6 sessions per week ,
I`ll coach him for free. If interested he can contact me at my official email ;
magic@coachjs.sePs! And there will still be room for his passion mountaineering on the days off and maybe some more.
Did he ever reach out to you? Curious
907 born wrote:
hmmm here is a question wrote:
Where was this track?
West Wyoming.
Forgot to use you non-registered name OP?
two decade 907 resident wrote:
907 born wrote:
West Wyoming.
Forgot to use you non-registered name OP?
Running joke, the West Wyoming Marathon was an infamous scam race that never happened I think
Stick with soccer. Way more money. Even the 1,000th best soccer player in the world gets picked up somewhere for a decent salary. The 100th best runner at any given event gets paid nothing.