GDS has left BTC, cites Houlihan explicitly

casual obsever wrote:

Getting the wrong order is the smallest issue here. CAS judged that to be possible. There were several worse, a lot less likely issues:

1) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost, in contrast to the Lawson and Wilson cases, where the beef - not pork - contamination was judged to be "more likely than not"}
2) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing}
3) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}
4) According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers. With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean. Case closed.

rekrunner wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Getting the wrong order is the smallest issue here. CAS judged that to be possible. There were several worse, a lot less likely issues:

1) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost, in contrast to the Lawson and Wilson cases, where the beef - not pork - contamination was judged to be "more likely than not"}
2) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing}
3) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}
4) According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers. With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean. Case closed.

Maybe according to the CAS, but the CAS doesn't really know what Shelby ate, with any degree of certainty.

huntskiki wrote:

It will be interesting to see what the Clean Sport Collective and Kara Goucher have to say about this. Kara lost a ton of credibility IMO with how she has handled the story up to now, and the same with Shalane. It's unreal how militant they can appear against doping when it's "someone else", but when it's someone they know and like "well, it's a little complex, there are personal feelings etc."

I went back and listened to Kara's appearance on the Ali on the Run podcast from July 2021 and she said "it's such an icky situation, I don't know why CAS upheld the ban, I have to believe they know more than the rest of us, but I don't want to focus on this until we see more information, then I did start getting called out on social media... Abramson called me out... I did feel strongly that she shouldn't race in the trials... can't compete and change the outcome for someone else, so I did feel strongly to say something about that, that's now how it works. I was so stressed out.. Clean Sport Collective was getting hammered for not saying anything... I'm getting hammered, but I am a human, and this is the first time that it's been really humanized in a way that felt different from other times... I just felt really confused about the whole thing... I did feel crystal clear on this one thing about competing at the trials. I'm stressing out that my name shouldn't be on it (letter from Clean Sport Collective). but the letter was fair.. and I agreed with it. It sucks either way, whether you think the burrito is real. We are quick to judge... so maybe this will be a learning experience for everyone... I really would like to reserve judgment until i see the CAS decision and I know that makes me a hypocrite potentially for things I said in the past, and I'm evaluating that but I am a human. I want to see all that before I make a decision... but that blew up in our faces..."

I really want to believe that the majority of the sport is clean, but when you see some of the people who appear to be leading the charge against doping become silent or worse support the people that are banned, it's really hard to know what to think.

casual obsever wrote:

Getting the wrong order is the smallest issue here. CAS judged that to be possible. There were several worse, a lot less likely issues:

1) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost, in contrast to the Lawson and Wilson cases, where the beef - not pork - contamination was judged to be "more likely than not"}
2) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing}
3) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}
4) According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers. With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean. Case closed.

Hsheueueheh wrote:

huntskiki wrote:

It will be interesting to see what the Clean Sport Collective and Kara Goucher have to say about this. Kara lost a ton of credibility IMO with how she has handled the story up to now, and the same with Shalane. It's unreal how militant they can appear against doping when it's "someone else", but when it's someone they know and like "well, it's a little complex, there are personal feelings etc."

I went back and listened to Kara's appearance on the Ali on the Run podcast from July 2021 and she said "it's such an icky situation, I don't know why CAS upheld the ban, I have to believe they know more than the rest of us, but I don't want to focus on this until we see more information, then I did start getting called out on social media... Abramson called me out... I did feel strongly that she shouldn't race in the trials... can't compete and change the outcome for someone else, so I did feel strongly to say something about that, that's now how it works. I was so stressed out.. Clean Sport Collective was getting hammered for not saying anything... I'm getting hammered, but I am a human, and this is the first time that it's been really humanized in a way that felt different from other times... I just felt really confused about the whole thing... I did feel crystal clear on this one thing about competing at the trials. I'm stressing out that my name shouldn't be on it (letter from Clean Sport Collective). but the letter was fair.. and I agreed with it. It sucks either way, whether you think the burrito is real. We are quick to judge... so maybe this will be a learning experience for everyone... I really would like to reserve judgment until i see the CAS decision and I know that makes me a hypocrite potentially for things I said in the past, and I'm evaluating that but I am a human. I want to see all that before I make a decision... but that blew up in our faces..."

I really want to believe that the majority of the sport is clean, but when you see some of the people who appear to be leading the charge against doping become silent or worse support the people that are banned, it's really hard to know what to think.

This seems like a very human post from someone that admitted they are conflicted and ultimately agreed she needed to not run the trials and be banned

rekrunner wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Getting the wrong order is the smallest issue here. CAS judged that to be possible. There were several worse, a lot less likely issues:

1) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost, in contrast to the Lawson and Wilson cases, where the beef - not pork - contamination was judged to be "more likely than not"}
2) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing}
3) According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}
4) According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers. With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean. Case closed.

Maybe according to the CAS, but the CAS doesn't really know what Shelby ate, with any degree of certainty.