Not exactly new, but the graph with the changes in abnormal blood scores over time is interesting:
a) overall a clear decrease in that decade
b) in running, a huge drop after the EPO testing in 2002
c) no huge drop after the ABP in early 2009; running got even worse!
d) running is worse than cycling.
Ah, but I do think EPO works on a physical level -- EPO increases RBC.
Juicing with Orange wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
I'm dumb because I agreed with you?
No, you're dumb because you don't think EPO works on a physical level and have proven so on an endless thread.
rekrunner wrote:
Ah, but I do think EPO works on a physical level -- EPO increases RBC.
Juicing with Orange wrote:
No, you're dumb because you don't think EPO works on a physical level and have proven so on an endless thread.
enough with your endless trolling, you are more annoying that the fake moonlanding and flat earth guys....maybe the truth is you are the same person, how many handles do you have here on LR? i wish everyone of them would be banned
rekrunner wrote:
Ah, but I do think EPO works on a physical level -- EPO increases RBC.
Juicing with Orange wrote:
No, you're dumb because you don't think EPO works on a physical level and have proven so on an endless thread.
Now all you have to do is make the next logical realization and your moran card will be revoked.
You can ask. People keep replying to me -- and it would be rude not to respond. You can also ask the opposite -- why do so many other posters insist on throwing out doping accusations, without any more evidence than running fast or winning -- simply succeeding at the goal of every athlete. I have never reported or deleted your posts.
m!ndweak wrote:
can i ask why you cant let this go? and why is it you KEEEEEEP deleting my comments? you can take people arguing with you but not me huh?
look gary i find it incredibly childish you keep deleting my comments.
you have deleted every single comment of mine, ranging from the 2-3 hrs worth of research on all the EPO busts, all the math to show the 3-4% improvements....nice your a brat. so i mocked you and went on the rant that EPO AND PEDS dont work, and you get upset and get those deleted as well, now you just delete anything i write.
you cant prance around that you are winning some argument if you DELETE AND SILENCE YOUR RIVALS. well you can and that is obnoxious as hell.
if this gets deleted i will with all seriousness campaign to have you and this thread DELETED. you cant proclaim your superiority if you get to pick and choose who you have to conversate with by deleting their voice. this isnt communist russia or North Korea.
I knew it! wrote:
d) running is worse than cycling.
Lance Armstrong will be happy to hear that! ?
Once again is doping a level playing field .
this indoor season shows you once again that usual suspects
and have to wonder why ...................
how does the dope find its way to chesereck and not some other athlete .
no agenda what so ever from these pharma companies and agents , all backed by iaaf /wada .
similarly with su bingtian
lets destroy another local running scene , by doping the competition into submission .
and
then you have conova and his recent doping of afew europeans
with proviso that must train in iten .
oh but it is the altitude or the food blah blah , no altitude or dope anywhere else
no agenda what so ever .
looks like iaaf is happy or happy to ignore certain areas for doping
rekrunner wrote:
Ah, but I do think EPO works on a physical level -- EPO increases RBC.
Juicing with Orange wrote:
No, you're dumb because you don't think EPO works on a physical level and have proven so on an endless thread.
Stop reporting posts that indicate you need to learn.
and stop DELETING MY COMMENTS! i now have to use this handle thanks to you
oh almost forgot gary
EPO AND PEDs DONT WORK!!!!!!!!
but what im so confused about then is why regina jacobs, marion jones, tim montgomery, and ben johnson got in trouble? if PEDs dont work why were they crucified? oh well must be cause im an idiot, good thing there are hobby joggers on here to scorn me and get me banned and deleted.....
EPO AND PEDs DONT WORK
EPO AND PEDs DONT WORK!!!!!!!!
weakermind wrote:
EPO AND PEDs DONT WORK!!!!!!!!
EPO AND PEDs DONT WORK!!!!!!!!
Since you mentioned Marion Jones weakermind, here's a tibit about Jones that many people are unaware of: She tested positive for EPO: ?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2006/aug/19/athletics.drugsinsport
This is interesting since the 400m was included in her sprint disciplines and the 400 is considered to have a ~43% aerobic component:
NOOOOOOO!!! IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!
well i can tell you this mr! rekrunner will rebuke you for this and i will prob lose this handle as well!!!
no no no no no no!!!
EPO AND PEDs DONT WORK!!! if they did why would gary pariah rekrunner have to harass me over and over that they dont?!?!?!? im so confuse!?!? if they work then the brojos owe me and appology and let me have my handle "mindweak" back....if they dont work then marion jones deserves her MEDALS BACK!?!?!?
doesnt matter if she tested positive or not......EPO AND PEDs DONT WORK!!!!
its all white mans lies to keep minorities from winning GOLD!!!
LONG LIVE HIS HOLINESS GARY PARIAH REKRUNNER!!!!
12.98 100m and 3:28 1500m and EPO does not work.
Coe or Ovett could have run sub 12 wearing Wellington boots!
El G, Lagat all donkeys over 800m and running 3:26.
Geb suddenly running 20 seconds faster over 5000m and EPO does not work! Runners like Rob Denmark had at least as much speed as Geb. He'd run 13:09 and when he heard of the new world record in the 90's suddenly moving another 20 seconds away was physically sick.
They are still doping just as much but moved with the money to the marathon.
An altitude born athlete already has an advantage add EPO and with 100x more than Europeans running full time we've not got much chance without going Al Sal way.
I'll keep that in mind if I ever decide to report a post one day. On page 1 I asked a simple question about a perceived anomaly in historical performance data -- what better way to demonstrate I already know I need to learn, than for me to ask questions. What I'd like to learn is why non-Africans since 1990 didn't learn for themselves about the powerful performance effects of EPO. Why didn't they believe? Looking at Ramzi or Marion Jones doesn't help.
Juicing with Orange wrote:
Stop reporting posts that indicate you need to learn.
On page 1, I assumed "EPO works". Interesting insight: "An altitude born athlete already has an advantage"
ukathleticscoach wrote:
12.98 100m and 3:28 1500m and EPO does not work.
Coe or Ovett could have run sub 12 wearing Wellington boots!
El G, Lagat all donkeys over 800m and running 3:26.
Geb suddenly running 20 seconds faster over 5000m and EPO does not work! Runners like Rob Denmark had at least as much speed as Geb. He'd run 13:09 and when he heard of the new world record in the 90's suddenly moving another 20 seconds away was physically sick.
They are still doping just as much but moved with the money to the marathon.
An altitude born athlete already has an advantage add EPO and with 100x more than Europeans running full time we've not got much chance without going Al Sal way.
The Spanish Bull(shite) wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Mühlegg
That's a wild case you bring up. Johann Mühlegg was full throttle on that souped-up 2nd gen Aranesp and literally blew away his competition: 3 gold medals in one Olympic games! I watched the 50k event live at the time and it wasn't funny as he coasted to victory some 15 seconds ahead of the next competitor.
Here's the power of EPO with a high-responder, and XC skiing is as every bit as much about endurance as distance running is. In fact, some of the highest recorded VO2max's are from XC skiers.
The good news in this case was Mühlegg tested positive for Nesp and was eventually stripped of all 3 medals.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/drugsinsport/2429646/Drugs-in-Sport-New-blood-booster-10-times-stronger-than-EPO.htmlhttps://youtu.be/ngiE74ijTAMrekrunner wrote:
What I'd like to learn is why non-Africans since 1990 didn't learn for themselves about the powerful performance effects of EPO. Why didn't they believe?
The Spaniards sure did! Good information for you to read and apply the common sense doctrine. Extrapolate from the information the Spanish athletes involved; their PBs, their rapid improvement in times, the medals & titles won, NR's & European records set, etc. 3 major doping rings involving Spain's top athlete's in a span of 3 decades; Operation's Galgo, Puerto & Skype! EPO, BBs, HGH, Anabolics, AICAR...you name it - they had it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/athletics-suspicion-clouds-spanish-victory-1118336.htmlhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Galgohttp://road.cc/content/news/55184-spanish-police-arrest-ten-they-break-next-generation-superdrug-doping-ringhttps://youtu.be/rCE6XBJ5i_E