Official 2023 New York City Marathon Discussion Thread

No sh*t. You oughtta tell someone in the INS.

Do you actually know that? If so, please share a little.

I'd love to know what the freaking story is with that.

Likely she knows she is racing in a small women's field of only ~13 people where the top ten receive prize money. Also first US female gets $25k. Knowing her chances to win were slim, it makes sense to look around and look back to gauge where other US runners are and how many in that lead pack you need to beat to win some prize money.

Especially since she was still comfortably running in the lead pack at somewhere close to what had to be close to her goal pace.

Rojo- I'm seriously telling you this for your own good --though I doubt very much you'll pay even a tiny bit of attention.

You are more pathologically obsessed with race than anyone I've encountered who's not a psychotic, super-extremist, should-seriously-be-in-a-mental-hospital right-wing nut-job along the lines of a Gymmy Jordan or MTG.
Somebody should probably alert you that *that's* the kind of company you gladly throw yourself in with, by your *constant* incessant idiotic blathering about race, pretending not to *care* about race (though you never f***ing shut up about it), presuming to lead 'scholarly discussions' about race, offering stupid little 'jokes' about race, etc., etc., etc.,...

You demean yourself so deeply with this crap, it's seriously just freaking sad.

But I guess you just literally can't help yourself --which kind of tells us everything we need to know about what's in your head, and who you really are.

If you could just get a glimmer of how *awful* it makes you look to intelligent people everywhere, maybe --just maybe-- there's a chance you could somehow muster the effort to try to be and do just a little better.

I feel like there might be enough good in you to make it worth the effort to get you to really look in the mirror.

But I'm probably kidding myself. (Instead, you'll probably just delete this.)

People really overrate how much form matters in distance running. It really isn't a technical discipline.

Says sp2, the should-seriously-be-in-a-mental-hospital left-wing nut-job along the lines of a Lyin Biden and Killary Clinton.

Taylor has some sweet running form. I thought one of the best in the lead pack. It was an interesting contrast in style to Obiri when running at 5:50/mile pace. They both looked to be running at ease, but Kellyn appeared to be moving so much faster when you isolated on her. Hellen looked like she was just slogging along. I got her cadence at around 168 spm compared to Kellyn at about 180.

Yes - it pissed me off, must have pissed her off too.

Nice. That's one of the funnier and smarter posts I've seen here in a while.

The thing is that she should have been able to hang with the pack until that very last fast mile. The pace was nothing for the pros so I truly did not get how the pack separated at 2:28 pace. That is jog pace to them. Same for Huddle. even coming back after having a baby that pace should have been easy for her.

That's not exactly true, watch it back and you'll see that the shortest route is the blue line on the other side of the car and Gidey.

Some of you armchair specialists are usually astoundingly unaware

The blue line was NOT the shortest route, the shortest route would be to take the apex of the curves and run straight tangents between. You can see the blue line takes a lot of the sharp corners extra wide, and follows some of the gentler curves instead of taking strait tangents from apex to apex. Noticed this at Chicago too.

Found myself annoyed at some of the elite 5k runners Saturday for running right down the middle of the road in the windy sections through Central Park, instead of taking the shortest route.

Why did the top women run so (relatively) slow yesterday?

The men didn't.

I am always amazed that runners don't study the course before running to understand the shortest possible path (SPR). Historically the blue line for the NYC Marathon has not followed the SPR. Interestingly, it seemed to follow it for the last 500m yesterday aiming for the finish nearest to the Tavern on the Green. Also, in the 5k, the runners have always turned wide onto and off of 42 street where they really should be on the north side of the road - where measured. Presumably this is because they are following the photo truck.

Interestingly as the 40th anniversary of Rod's win in NY, he won the race by running the tangents over the last three miles in the park while Smith ran down the middle of the road.

Rod and I had a conversation several months before the marathon. He wanted me to come to New Zealand to measure some courses. I explained how I measured the tangents and that it is difficult for most runners to run the courses I measure. He said he could! Fast forward to the marathon that year as I was watching him on the video board at the finish. Rod didn't run one step faster than Smith over the last 3 miles, but he ran every step smarter.

In Rio and Sapporo for the Olympics we painted lines that was very close to the SPR. But we stayed about 1.5 meters from the curb when turning corners so the line would have been covered by signage if placed there.

Since Boston in the spring Obiri has been doing a ton of races - including basically every major road race in NY and New England - and collecting lots of nice fat paychecks. My guess is she wants to get back to doing this ASAP and, knowing she has great finishing speed, didn’t want to push the pace. I guess no one else did either.

Unless you're going for a marathon WR, what's the point of pushing the pace as long as you're in line to win some prize money? NYC Marathon clearly isn't the kinda race where you're setting records, it's probably more for the sponsors and publicity.

Yes, but start a thread on "drills" and 17 HS coaches will tell you how important those drills are for fostering "good form." And they know JUST WHICH drills to do (/mostly or completely waste their kids' time with).....

Sorry. Once again you've been a victim of someone's sarcasm. I found the women's race more compelling right from the get go.

I really hope 'Tangents' is Parker Valby