For the people like me that responsibly saved, budgeted, sacrificed and paid back their student loans, where’s our $10,000 refund?
#FJB
You've posted a few times how loan refunds are bad. You don't get these things if you don't ask for them. You're not going to get a $10,000 refund if you're literally walking around telling people you don't want loan refunds.
Classic corporatists in this thread. Trillions of handouts to politicians, corrupt nonprofits, other counters, and business are FINE, but a few billion for working class Americans who were duped by the finance industry: BAD.
For the people like me that responsibly saved, budgeted, sacrificed and paid back their student loans, where’s our $10,000 refund?
#FJB
You've posted a few times how loan refunds are bad. You don't get these things if you don't ask for them. You're not going to get a $10,000 refund if you're literally walking around telling people you don't want loan refunds.
He's not a very good poster, but it's pretty clear he was asking rhetorically and you're probably smart enough to know that he was.
He didn't do a great job of making the key point, but several others in this thread have. This student loan debt forgiveness proposal is a windfall arbitrarily bestowed on some randomly selected individuals, and effectively a penalty for many more randomly selected individuals who made financial choices assuming the goalposts would stay where they were.
If the US is going to go forward with this awful proposal, one way to fix it's clear arbitrary and capricious inequities would be to just send everyone a $10,000 check in the mail. Disco's point is a good one, which is why you dodged it and pretended he was actually asking where his refund was.
You've posted a few times how loan refunds are bad. You don't get these things if you don't ask for them. You're not going to get a $10,000 refund if you're literally walking around telling people you don't want loan refunds.
He's not a very good poster, but it's pretty clear he was asking rhetorically and you're probably smart enough to know that he was.
He didn't do a great job of making the key point, but several others in this thread have. This student loan debt forgiveness proposal is a windfall arbitrarily bestowed on some randomly selected individuals, and effectively a penalty for many more randomly selected individuals who made financial choices assuming the goalposts would stay where they were.
If the US is going to go forward with this awful proposal, one way to fix it's clear arbitrary and capricious inequities would be to just send everyone a $10,000 check in the mail. Disco's point is a good one, which is why you dodged it and pretended he was actually asking where his refund was.
I'm not opposed to giving everyone who took out a loan a refund however the policy is designed to free up the incomes of people with debt so they can invest/start families/spend dollars to promote some growth in the economy. If you don't have the debt, you're doing that anyway.
Conservatives assume liberals are acting out of some sort of bleeding heart mindset all the time. They made a decision on the economics, not the basic fairness of it. That's something they normally get criticized for not doing.
Classic corporatists in this thread. Trillions of handouts to politicians, corrupt nonprofits, other counters, and business are FINE, but a few billion for working class Americans who were duped by the finance industry: BAD.
You are all being played.
Trillions of handouts to politicians, corrupt nonprofits, other counters, and business are NOT FINE
He's not a very good poster, but it's pretty clear he was asking rhetorically and you're probably smart enough to know that he was.
He didn't do a great job of making the key point, but several others in this thread have. This student loan debt forgiveness proposal is a windfall arbitrarily bestowed on some randomly selected individuals, and effectively a penalty for many more randomly selected individuals who made financial choices assuming the goalposts would stay where they were.
If the US is going to go forward with this awful proposal, one way to fix it's clear arbitrary and capricious inequities would be to just send everyone a $10,000 check in the mail. Disco's point is a good one, which is why you dodged it and pretended he was actually asking where his refund was.
I'm not opposed to giving everyone who took out a loan a refund however the policy is designed to free up the incomes of people with debt so they can invest/start families/spend dollars to promote some growth in the economy. If you don't have the debt, you're doing that anyway.
Conservatives assume liberals are acting out of some sort of bleeding heart mindset all the time. They made a decision on the economics, not the basic fairness of it. That's something they normally get criticized for not doing.
Joetato has stated that we’re not in a recession we are just returning to normal and sustainable growth. So it looks like this not about growing the economy like you suggest.
The "bubble" sure isn't Democrats. This was supposedly a thread from a Democrat. But you probably didn't notice that, with all the opinions like yours being voiced here. The usual cacophony from the Right.
I noticed it but this is a public forum so you’re stuck with us. I’m looking for the corresponding thread for Republicans and not seeing it. Not surprised because we’re open minded enough to listen to anyone. And not really living in a corresponding bubble.
It isn't a question of being "open-minded" (although that is an oxymoron when equated with the Right) but that a thread purporting to have a Democrat perspective is essentially just another stream from the Right. But that's this site generally.
He's not a very good poster, but it's pretty clear he was asking rhetorically and you're probably smart enough to know that he was.
He didn't do a great job of making the key point, but several others in this thread have. This student loan debt forgiveness proposal is a windfall arbitrarily bestowed on some randomly selected individuals, and effectively a penalty for many more randomly selected individuals who made financial choices assuming the goalposts would stay where they were.
If the US is going to go forward with this awful proposal, one way to fix it's clear arbitrary and capricious inequities would be to just send everyone a $10,000 check in the mail. Disco's point is a good one, which is why you dodged it and pretended he was actually asking where his refund was.
I'm not opposed to giving everyone who took out a loan a refund however the policy is designed to free up the incomes of people with debt so they can invest/start families/spend dollars to promote some growth in the economy. If you don't have the debt, you're doing that anyway.
That's inaccurate. If you pay a school $10,000 to attend, you have $10,000 less to invest/spend/start families with irrespective of whether you paid with your own money or paid with a loan. And your invest/spend/family-starting power is reduced the same whether you are paying interest on the loan, or losing the opportunity to grow the $10,000 by giving it to the school. For purposes of what you claim is the economic policy behind this proposal, there is no meaningful difference at all between people who took out a loan or paid cash (or even anyone who has ever spent $10,000 on anything for any reason, whether it be school, a car, a house, a vacation or drugs). None. This is arbitrary and capricious and a screw job on people who decided not to finance school with a loan.
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Conservatives assume liberals are acting out of some sort of bleeding heart mindset all the time. They made a decision on the economics, not the basic fairness of it. That's something they normally get criticized for not doing.
You are wrong. Conservative often unfairly criticize liberals for acting out of a "bleeding heart" as if there were anything wrong with acting out of compassion. This is NOT one of those times. Liberals are NOT being accused of acting out of compassion here. The accusation, and it is an accurate one, is that this is nothing more than Democratic politicians openly, directly and almost expressly buying votes for $10,000 a piece from a certain randomly selected demographic.
He's not a very good poster, but it's pretty clear he was asking rhetorically and you're probably smart enough to know that he was.
He didn't do a great job of making the key point, but several others in this thread have. This student loan debt forgiveness proposal is a windfall arbitrarily bestowed on some randomly selected individuals, and effectively a penalty for many more randomly selected individuals who made financial choices assuming the goalposts would stay where they were.
If the US is going to go forward with this awful proposal, one way to fix it's clear arbitrary and capricious inequities would be to just send everyone a $10,000 check in the mail. Disco's point is a good one, which is why you dodged it and pretended he was actually asking where his refund was.
I'm not opposed to giving everyone who took out a loan a refund however the policy is designed to free up the incomes of people with debt so they can invest/start families/spend dollars to promote some growth in the economy. If you don't have the debt, you're doing that anyway.
Conservatives assume liberals are acting out of some sort of bleeding heart mindset all the time. They made a decision on the economics, not the basic fairness of it. That's something they normally get criticized for not doing.
Have you started to get a sense of Chairman Powell's goals? Fed Chair Powell let U.S. know several days ago he has found his inner Paul Volcker. The sentence fragment I highlighted would be meaningful if college graduate unemployment were very high and inflation were under 1% annual rate. Powell will be forced to counter Biden's fiscal policy with a more severe austere monetary policy.
So many programs benefit some people and not all. The answer to "What about _____ loans?" or "What about people who paid their loans off? is "Not everything has to benefit everyone". Quick examples:
All corporate subsidies, tax breaks, bailouts.
PPP LOANS YOU MORONS.
Homeowner tax credits, energy assistance, first-time buyer assistance.
Rural internet.
A million different disease-specific medicaid add-ons.
People mad at this one specific thing is such a tell.
What we really need is government control of higher education. Reduce the cost and focus on producing essential professionals. Those in medical fields, Engineering, Production… Do away with private liberal arts “gender studies” bs institutions. Close down the ivys. Close down division 3.
So many programs benefit some people and not all. The answer to "What about _____ loans?" or "What about people who paid their loans off? is "Not everything has to benefit everyone". Quick examples:
All corporate subsidies, tax breaks, bailouts.
PPP LOANS YOU MORONS.
Homeowner tax credits, energy assistance, first-time buyer assistance.
Rural internet.
A million different disease-specific medicaid add-ons.
People mad at this one specific thing is such a tell.
Virtually none of your examples are loans. Loans come with a documented commitment to repay them. And those PPP “loans” were designed to become grants if used properly. People ignoring the difference is the real tell.
Classic corporatists in this thread. Trillions of handouts to politicians, corrupt nonprofits, other counters, and business are FINE, but a few billion for working class Americans who were duped by the finance industry: BAD.
You are all being played.
..few billion." I don't consider $500 billion to be a few billion. And both my sons have student loans that they took out because of where and what degree they wanted. One went out of state and another into medical field.
So many programs benefit some people and not all. The answer to "What about _____ loans?" or "What about people who paid their loans off? is "Not everything has to benefit everyone". Quick examples:
All corporate subsidies, tax breaks, bailouts.
PPP LOANS YOU MORONS.
Homeowner tax credits, energy assistance, first-time buyer assistance.
Rural internet.
A million different disease-specific medicaid add-ons.
People mad at this one specific thing is such a tell.
Virtually none of your examples are loans. Loans come with a documented commitment to repay them. And those PPP “loans” were designed to become grants if used properly. People ignoring the difference is the real tell.
So Biden converted some federal student loans to federal student grants! Nice to know that if we just change the name everything is ok in your framework. It's still taxpayers shouldering the load for business that couldn't survive the pandemic. In my view working class kids who have student debt deserve that tax money more than floundering businesses.
So many programs benefit some people and not all. The answer to "What about _____ loans?" or "What about people who paid their loans off? is "Not everything has to benefit everyone". Quick examples:
All corporate subsidies, tax breaks, bailouts.
PPP LOANS YOU MORONS.
Homeowner tax credits, energy assistance, first-time buyer assistance.
Rural internet.
A million different disease-specific medicaid add-ons.
People mad at this one specific thing is such a tell.
Every one of those examples, to the extent they are even accurate descriptions of something that happened, are false equivalences to this student loan debt forgiveness.
So many programs benefit some people and not all. The answer to "What about _____ loans?" or "What about people who paid their loans off? is "Not everything has to benefit everyone". Quick examples:
All corporate subsidies, tax breaks, bailouts.
PPP LOANS YOU MORONS.
Homeowner tax credits, energy assistance, first-time buyer assistance.
Rural internet.
A million different disease-specific medicaid add-ons.
People mad at this one specific thing is such a tell.
Every one of those examples, to the extent they are even accurate descriptions of something that happened, are false equivalences to this student loan debt forgiveness.
Not really. It's government giving money to specific people. Stop twisting yourself in a knot to continue to hate poor working class people with debt.
The mortgage interest deduction is far more harmful to society than debt forgiveness.
So many programs benefit some people and not all. The answer to "What about _____ loans?" or "What about people who paid their loans off? is "Not everything has to benefit everyone". Quick examples:
All corporate subsidies, tax breaks, bailouts.
PPP LOANS YOU MORONS.
Homeowner tax credits, energy assistance, first-time buyer assistance.
Rural internet.
A million different disease-specific medicaid add-ons.
People mad at this one specific thing is such a tell.
Virtually none of your examples are loans. Loans come with a documented commitment to repay them. And those PPP “loans” were designed to become grants if used properly. People ignoring the difference is the real tell.
Loan forgiveness doesnt have to benefit people without the loans. Never said they were all loans, dolt.
It should piss you off MORE that companies like Intel literally get handed our tax money, even after posting a profit. That is infinitely worse than forgiving part of some loans.
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