That's why Ingebrigtsen only wins slow tactical races at 5k. His best time is virtually a 100m off the wr. Nothing says he will likely improve that much.
So he finally has agreed!
For sure combined with terrible reasoning.
I haven't agreed with anything. You're a bit slow. And he remains a md runner who hasn't matched what the great distance runners have achieved - and is unlikely to.
The fastest in history over 2000m, 3000m, 2 Miles,
the third fastest in history over the Mile,
the fourth fastest in history over 1500m,
the 20th fastest in history over 5000m
is slow.
Any runner who ever run on a track is slow - for Armstronglivs.
Yes - I've repeatedly said he is a md runner. I've also pointed out he isn't anywhere near the fastest over the 5k - the 20th fastest, you say - and is over a minute behind Cheptegei over 10k. Isn't the discussion about what he's capable of over 5k/10k?
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That doesn't get you any further with the argument that he will become a great 5k/10k runner.
He’s already a great 5k runner. Olympic gold medalist and twice world champion. In the world championship era only Mo Farah is more decorated in the 5000m.
I haven't agreed with anything. You're a bit slow. And he remains a md runner who hasn't matched what the great distance runners have achieved - and is unlikely to.
You have agreed. But it seems after one day you already have forgotten.
comment: 5000m is a long distance event.
dumb's reply: That's why Ingebrigtsen only wins slow tactical races at 5k.
You are not arguing, you are just claiming. His performances so far have not shown what you say. Since he never has raced the 5000m for time, we dont know what he can do, we just have to wait.
You have no idea what he can do because he hasn't done it. What he has so far shown is that his 5k or longer performances are not in the same class as his best over shorter distances. That cannot be refuted. It is pure speculation that he will match them - and unless he does he can never be claimed to be a great "distance" runner.
You and all the other posting about the subject don't know what he can do against the clock in the 5000m (and for sure in the 10000m). Because he hasn't done s single attempt so far.
He already is a great distance runner - around no. 15 (top 10?) all-time?
If you just want to talk about long distance running, he isn't in the top 20 all-time so far because he hasn't had a result of absolute top-level at a distance longer than 5000m.
As both a Norwegian and a track enthusiast I follow the Ingebrigtsens closely.
Last year in an interview Henrik said, without a second of hesitation, 12:40 when asked how fast Jakob could do the 5k based on the tests he'd done in training.
That was waaay before Jakob ran THAT 3k, so I have absolutely no doubt he could challenge for the 5k world record if he wanted to.
He just doesn't run that many 5k's in a year, because he says it's too taxing for his body and it ruins too many good workouts in the week(s) following an all out 5k as he feels it takes him a long period to recover from a 5k.
He has also admitted that the kind of training he's doing is more suited for 10k/half marathon, just without the long run (wich is about 20k/75 mins according to himself), so my gues is that at least the 10k is possible if and when he decides to move on from the 1500 (I believe it's going to be too hard combining 1500 and 10k)
For the half marathon I do believe he needs more spesific training and a single focus to do well solely on the half marathon, and based on his own words on how much he loves the 1500 meters I don't think the half marathon is realistic for quite a few years!
That doesn't get you any further with the argument that he will become a great 5k/10k runner.
He’s already a great 5k runner. Olympic gold medalist and twice world champion. In the world championship era only Mo Farah is more decorated in the 5000m.
So where does 20th fastest in this era place him amongst the "great" 5k runners?
I haven't agreed with anything. You're a bit slow. And he remains a md runner who hasn't matched what the great distance runners have achieved - and is unlikely to.
You have agreed. But it seems after one day you already have forgotten.
comment: 5000m is a long distance event.
dumb's reply: That's why Ingebrigtsen only wins slow tactical races at 5k.
What you have trouble absorbing is that running it doesn't turn a md runner - like El G - into a true distance runner - like Bekele, Geb, Farah or Cheptegei. Ask yourself - is Ingebrigtsen that kind of runner?
You have no idea what he can do because he hasn't done it. What he has so far shown is that his 5k or longer performances are not in the same class as his best over shorter distances. That cannot be refuted. It is pure speculation that he will match them - and unless he does he can never be claimed to be a great "distance" runner.
You and all the other posting about the subject don't know what he can do against the clock in the 5000m (and for sure in the 10000m). Because he hasn't done s single attempt so far.
He already is a great distance runner - around no. 15 (top 10?) all-time?
If you just want to talk about long distance running, he isn't in the top 20 all-time so far because he hasn't had a result of absolute top-level at a distance longer than 5000m.
My argument is that he can only be considered a great distance runner - 5k/10k and above, which is what the thread suggests - when he has shown that he is. That requires results over such distances. It isn't based on what you or anyone else thinks he's capable of. That is pure speculation.
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As both a Norwegian and a track enthusiast I follow the Ingebrigtsens closely.
Last year in an interview Henrik said, without a second of hesitation, 12:40 when asked how fast Jakob could do the 5k based on the tests he'd done in training.
That was waaay before Jakob ran THAT 3k, so I have absolutely no doubt he could challenge for the 5k world record if he wanted to.
He just doesn't run that many 5k's in a year, because he says it's too taxing for his body and it ruins too many good workouts in the week(s) following an all out 5k as he feels it takes him a long period to recover from a 5k.
He has also admitted that the kind of training he's doing is more suited for 10k/half marathon, just without the long run (wich is about 20k/75 mins according to himself), so my gues is that at least the 10k is possible if and when he decides to move on from the 1500 (I believe it's going to be too hard combining 1500 and 10k)
For the half marathon I do believe he needs more spesific training and a single focus to do well solely on the half marathon, and based on his own words on how much he loves the 1500 meters I don't think the half marathon is realistic for quite a few years!
Henrik is not an impartial commentator. He will be biased in favour of Jakob. That notwithstanding, if Jakob is capable of 12:40 - he might be - that still doesn't put him in contention for beating 12:35. What anyone suggests he is capable of doesn't matter until he shows it. To use another comparison - like Ingebrigtsen, Centro is a championship winner in a slower tactical race, but does that mean Centro was capable of beating 3:26 - or Ingebrigtsen capable of beating 12:35?
As both a Norwegian and a track enthusiast I follow the Ingebrigtsens closely.
Last year in an interview Henrik said, without a second of hesitation, 12:40 when asked how fast Jakob could do the 5k based on the tests he'd done in training.
That was waaay before Jakob ran THAT 3k, so I have absolutely no doubt he could challenge for the 5k world record if he wanted to.
He just doesn't run that many 5k's in a year, because he says it's too taxing for his body and it ruins too many good workouts in the week(s) following an all out 5k as he feels it takes him a long period to recover from a 5k.
He has also admitted that the kind of training he's doing is more suited for 10k/half marathon, just without the long run (wich is about 20k/75 mins according to himself), so my gues is that at least the 10k is possible if and when he decides to move on from the 1500 (I believe it's going to be too hard combining 1500 and 10k)
For the half marathon I do believe he needs more spesific training and a single focus to do well solely on the half marathon, and based on his own words on how much he loves the 1500 meters I don't think the half marathon is realistic for quite a few years!
Henrik is not an impartial commentator. He will be biased in favour of Jakob. That notwithstanding, if Jakob is capable of 12:40 - he might be - that still doesn't put him in contention for beating 12:35. What anyone suggests he is capable of doesn't matter until he shows it. To use another comparison - like Ingebrigtsen, Centro is a championship winner in a slower tactical race, but does that mean Centro was capable of beating 3:26 - or Ingebrigtsen capable of beating 12:35?
The Centro analogy doesn't quite work with Ingebrigtsen - the former went after fast times on several occasions and we had a good idea of what his limits were. We saw what happened in Monaco 2015 when Kiprop ran 3:26, he was back in 10th running 3:30 for a PB.
Jakob has not gone for a fast 5000 at his current level, so we don't have a concrete idea of what his upper limit is. When interviewed after running 7:54 in the 2 mile he believed that 12:35 would be possible within a year of specific preparation - many here believe he was being humble (as in he would not need to change anything and could break it on his first attempt.)
Henrik is not an impartial commentator. He will be biased in favour of Jakob. That notwithstanding, if Jakob is capable of 12:40 - he might be - that still doesn't put him in contention for beating 12:35. What anyone suggests he is capable of doesn't matter until he shows it. To use another comparison - like Ingebrigtsen, Centro is a championship winner in a slower tactical race, but does that mean Centro was capable of beating 3:26 - or Ingebrigtsen capable of beating 12:35?
The Centro analogy doesn't quite work with Ingebrigtsen - the former went after fast times on several occasions and we had a good idea of what his limits were. We saw what happened in Monaco 2015 when Kiprop ran 3:26, he was back in 10th running 3:30 for a PB.
Jakob has not gone for a fast 5000 at his current level, so we don't have a concrete idea of what his upper limit is. When interviewed after running 7:54 in the 2 mile he believed that 12:35 would be possible within a year of specific preparation - many here believe he was being humble (as in he would not need to change anything and could break it on his first attempt.)
He also has said the HM is his best distance. I would take his self-promotion with a grain of salt.
The Centro analogy doesn't quite work with Ingebrigtsen - the former went after fast times on several occasions and we had a good idea of what his limits were. We saw what happened in Monaco 2015 when Kiprop ran 3:26, he was back in 10th running 3:30 for a PB.
Jakob has not gone for a fast 5000 at his current level, so we don't have a concrete idea of what his upper limit is. When interviewed after running 7:54 in the 2 mile he believed that 12:35 would be possible within a year of specific preparation - many here believe he was being humble (as in he would not need to change anything and could break it on his first attempt.)
He also has said the HM is his best distance. I would take his self-promotion with a grain of salt.
That is true, but it seems he has admitted otherwise after Copenhagen. And he has also acknowledged the medalists in the Paris 1500. He, like other athletes, is capable of maturing and adjusting their assessments over time. We will get a better idea when he goes for the 5000 WR indoors. I'm looking forward to it.
He also has said the HM is his best distance. I would take his self-promotion with a grain of salt.
That is true, but it seems he has admitted otherwise after Copenhagen. And he has also acknowledged the medalists in the Paris 1500. He, like other athletes, is capable of maturing and adjusting their assessments over time. We will get a better idea when he goes for the 5000 WR indoors. I'm looking forward to it.
That may be an indicator, certainly, but not a guarantee that he could beat the outdoor record.
He’s already a great 5k runner. Olympic gold medalist and twice world champion. In the world championship era only Mo Farah is more decorated in the 5000m.
So where does 20th fastest in this era place him amongst the "great" 5k runners?
Ahead of all of them in the current era since he's unbeaten in finals at the Olympics, Worlds and European championships.
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