Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Flagpole wrote:

Clarified Butter wrote:

Quite an ambiguous statement. Care to clarify?

Well, I have done so already, but I will do so again.

Religion through the ages has changed greatly as we become more and more aware of our world and universe. We don't have organized religions that pray to Zeus anymore or a Sun God for example. As strongly as some religious people today feel that their religion is the RIGHT one, so too did people from the past. It is ridiculous to believe it will not continue to change, and as I have already mentioned, we see changes even in short blocks of time (United Methodists moving from a very liberal denomination worldwide to a more and more fundamentalist view in just the last 20 years).

A lot of religion is borne out of a need to explain what they didn't understand at the time...plagues of locusts, a big flood, why sometimes it isn't good to eat shellfish, etc. Today, although we know a lot more about how things work than in biblical times for example, Christians will say...well, how was the universe created, and if you believe in the Big Bang, what created that? And they pose other like questions. My answer to that is that just because we might not have all the answers, that doesn't mean that THE answer is that there is an omnipotent God in the sky overseeing all.

As more and more people are accepting of science over magic and fairy tales, (and they will be) religion as we know it will eventually disappear. We have already seen a rise in Unitarian Universalism, an extremely liberal "church" that asserts no magical God. This kind of thing will continue.

Do not take my view as a condemnation of religious people, because it isn't. Being "religious" also has its own meaning to each individual person, some who believe in magic and the fairy tales and some who don't but yet ascribe to the teachings of Jesus for example as something good to follow, understanding that he was a mortal man.

So, back to my comment that you asked about - "religion as we know it will disappear." Evidence of past religions disappearing shows this is highly likely, and anyone who believes religion WON'T change as we know it, has a screw loose.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Well, I have done so already, but I will do so again.

Religion through the ages has changed greatly as we become more and more aware of our world and universe. We don't have organized religions that pray to Zeus anymore or a Sun God for example. As strongly as some religious people today feel that their religion is the RIGHT one, so too did people from the past. It is ridiculous to believe it will not continue to change, and as I have already mentioned, we see changes even in short blocks of time (United Methodists moving from a very liberal denomination worldwide to a more and more fundamentalist view in just the last 20 years).

A lot of religion is borne out of a need to explain what they didn't understand at the time...plagues of locusts, a big flood, why sometimes it isn't good to eat shellfish, etc. Today, although we know a lot more about how things work than in biblical times for example, Christians will say...well, how was the universe created, and if you believe in the Big Bang, what created that? And they pose other like questions. My answer to that is that just because we might not have all the answers, that doesn't mean that THE answer is that there is an omnipotent God in the sky overseeing all.

As more and more people are accepting of science over magic and fairy tales, (and they will be) religion as we know it will eventually disappear. We have already seen a rise in Unitarian Universalism, an extremely liberal "church" that asserts no magical God. This kind of thing will continue.

Do not take my view as a condemnation of religious people, because it isn't. Being "religious" also has its own meaning to each individual person, some who believe in magic and the fairy tales and some who don't but yet ascribe to the teachings of Jesus for example as something good to follow, understanding that he was a mortal man.

So, back to my comment that you asked about - "religion as we know it will disappear." Evidence of past religions disappearing shows this is highly likely, and anyone who believes religion WON'T change as we know it, has a screw loose.

Flaggy you’re largely missing the point here.

There is a difference between identifying as Christian and not attending church, attending church and not really being Christian on any other day but Sunday, and actually living and breathing the Word of Christ. Of those three the last one is obviously a shrinking number, but 1 and 2 ain’t going nowhere man. Church attendance is climbing, many smaller congregations are starting in strip malls and industrial complexes then building and moving into a “big church”. It’s a thing. It ain’t stopping. I’ve been associated with 3 churches that have done this from GA to MD to SC.

You. Are. Wrong.

Alan

The Fokus wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Also, Flagpole is shooting for the fences with his Trump predictions. I think the Mueller report will make a case that Trump obstructed justice and that he’s the co-conspirator in Cohen’s guilty plea to felony campaign finance violation (ie: hush money to ensure info doesn’t come out to negatively affect the election). Also, Trump Jr and Kushner will be indicted. That will be Mueller’s final act as he farms those cases to SDNY. Conspiracy between the campaign and Russia will involve those two, not Trump. I still believe Trump is an expert level crook and people act without needing him to give orders. I think ultimately his financial/tax returns will be his ultimate fall.

Alan

While I agree with your general conclusion, I think you are reaching but not as far as Flagpole who's simply a loon.

Mueller's report will likely leave much open to interpretation and be a series of findings with no conclusion drawn by Mueller. He will leave it up to the politicians to haggle out the end result and both sides will spin the evidence Mueller puts forth to their advantage. I don't think we see any further indictments of anyone close to Trump although, again, there may very well be evidence of either criminal or unethical maneuvers by people such as Trump Jr. and Kushner.

Trump will be able to scream "No collusion!!!!" to his heart's content because Mueller was never going to make a determination of anything referred to as "collusion" even if he had a recording of Trump talking to Putin thanking him for interfering with the election.

As someone who wants the boob out of office tomorrow if possible, he will have to be voted out in 2020 as he will never be successfully impeached and any impeachment proceeding will likely work against the Democrats. The Party should put a lid on the few knucklehead and junior elected officials of the Democratic party who call for impeachment as all it will do is fire up Trump's base and bring them to the polls come 2020.

I know the anti-Trump crowd is looking for the slam dunk but it just isn't there and it won't be there in the future either.

Flagpole wrote:

Once an Economist wrote:

You are PARTIALLY right. I'll give you 1/2 credit back if you can find out where you went wrong and correct your mistake.

I know that you will say retirees aren't part of the participation rate. I understand how all things are calculated. Retirees are a tough thing though and can muck up the system for a little while. For example, I know a guy who was just about to retire, but his company was going to have a layoff. He offered himself up to his boss as someone who would be willing to be one of the ones laid off, and so he got a severance and in addition he then applied for unemployment compensation and did that for a while, even applying for jobs that he knew he wouldn't take. I know for sure there are others who do such a thing. I would never do that because I have 100% integrity 100% of the time, but most people are not like me.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Well, I have done so already, but I will do so again.

Religion through the ages has changed greatly as we become more and more aware of our world and universe. We don't have organized religions that pray to Zeus anymore or a Sun God for example. As strongly as some religious people today feel that their religion is the RIGHT one, so too did people from the past. It is ridiculous to believe it will not continue to change, and as I have already mentioned, we see changes even in short blocks of time (United Methodists moving from a very liberal denomination worldwide to a more and more fundamentalist view in just the last 20 years).

A lot of religion is borne out of a need to explain what they didn't understand at the time...plagues of locusts, a big flood, why sometimes it isn't good to eat shellfish, etc. Today, although we know a lot more about how things work than in biblical times for example, Christians will say...well, how was the universe created, and if you believe in the Big Bang, what created that? And they pose other like questions. My answer to that is that just because we might not have all the answers, that doesn't mean that THE answer is that there is an omnipotent God in the sky overseeing all.

As more and more people are accepting of science over magic and fairy tales, (and they will be) religion as we know it will eventually disappear. We have already seen a rise in Unitarian Universalism, an extremely liberal "church" that asserts no magical God. This kind of thing will continue.

Do not take my view as a condemnation of religious people, because it isn't. Being "religious" also has its own meaning to each individual person, some who believe in magic and the fairy tales and some who don't but yet ascribe to the teachings of Jesus for example as something good to follow, understanding that he was a mortal man.

So, back to my comment that you asked about - "religion as we know it will disappear." Evidence of past religions disappearing shows this is highly likely, and anyone who believes religion WON'T change as we know it, has a screw loose.

Flaggy you’re largely missing the point here.

There is a difference between identifying as Christian and not attending church, attending church and not really being Christian on any other day but Sunday, and actually living and breathing the Word of Christ. Of those three the last one is obviously a shrinking number, but 1 and 2 ain’t going nowhere man. Church attendance is climbing, many smaller congregations are starting in strip malls and industrial complexes then building and moving into a “big church”. It’s a thing. It ain’t stopping. I’ve been associated with 3 churches that have done this from GA to MD to SC.

You. Are. Wrong.

Alan

Dr. Feelgood wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Flaggy you’re largely missing the point here.

There is a difference between identifying as Christian and not attending church, attending church and not really being Christian on any other day but Sunday, and actually living and breathing the Word of Christ. Of those three the last one is obviously a shrinking number, but 1 and 2 ain’t going nowhere man. Church attendance is climbing, many smaller congregations are starting in strip malls and industrial complexes then building and moving into a “big church”. It’s a thing. It ain’t stopping. I’ve been associated with 3 churches that have done this from GA to MD to SC.

You. Are. Wrong.

Alan

Alan, we know he's wrong and he knows he's wrong. Someone as insecure as him never admits that he or she is wrong, that's his M.O. and always has been.

Once they say one thing that they end up knowing to be wrong, they have a fall back...none of us will be alive then so you can't prove me wrong. That my friend is insecurity. It's not about anyone else but himself feeling that he's never wrong. I've dealt with patience like him before. Most end up in a bad place.

Flagpole wrote:

Clarified Butter wrote:

Quite an ambiguous statement. Care to clarify?

Well, I have done so already, but I will do so again.

Religion through the ages has changed greatly as we become more and more aware of our world and universe. We don't have organized religions that pray to Zeus anymore or a Sun God for example. As strongly as some religious people today feel that their religion is the RIGHT one, so too did people from the past. It is ridiculous to believe it will not continue to change, and as I have already mentioned, we see changes even in short blocks of time (United Methodists moving from a very liberal denomination worldwide to a more and more fundamentalist view in just the last 20 years).

A lot of religion is borne out of a need to explain what they didn't understand at the time...plagues of locusts, a big flood, why sometimes it isn't good to eat shellfish, etc. Today, although we know a lot more about how things work than in biblical times for example, Christians will say...well, how was the universe created, and if you believe in the Big Bang, what created that? And they pose other like questions. My answer to that is that just because we might not have all the answers, that doesn't mean that THE answer is that there is an omnipotent God in the sky overseeing all.

As more and more people are accepting of science over magic and fairy tales, (and they will be) religion as we know it will eventually disappear. We have already seen a rise in Unitarian Universalism, an extremely liberal "church" that asserts no magical God. This kind of thing will continue.

Do not take my view as a condemnation of religious people, because it isn't. Being "religious" also has its own meaning to each individual person, some who believe in magic and the fairy tales and some who don't but yet ascribe to the teachings of Jesus for example as something good to follow, understanding that he was a mortal man.

So, back to my comment that you asked about - "religion as we know it will disappear." Evidence of past religions disappearing shows this is highly likely, and anyone who believes religion WON'T change as we know it, has a screw loose.