I sign of a meltdown usually leads to prolific use of exclamation marks.
I sign of a meltdown usually leads to prolific use of exclamation marks.
Flagpole wrote:
It's getting worse and worse for Trump every day. The House is very busy requesting documents from people, setting up hearings, etc.
This whole idea you Trumpers like to spew that it's been 2 years and nothing has been found yet (which is beyond bogus of course) is going to come crashing down.
It is getting more and more likely (I'm not calling it just yet) that Trump will be indicted while still a sitting President. It is a ridiculous DOJ guideline to begin with, it isn't a law, and it isn't in the Constitution.
The fact is that there is SOME line that can't be crossed as far as being indicted while in office. If Trump shot someone to death on camera, while he actually would still maintain many supporters, he would be arrested and indicted. So, now we then are just talking about severity of crimes.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole, just to clarify ... you have been and are currently guaranteeing that Trump will NOT finish his first term?
Silly Willy wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Oh we’ve been past that point for a long time. Off the top of my head people still supported and still do support Nixon even after the tapes came out.
It’s all about the long game. Can a voter disregard a candidate’s crookedness, felonious and unsavory actions if he’s going to push your agenda while elected? For a lot of voters that is a yes. That goes for both sides.
Alan
Sorry to interrupt your self-help group here, but you guys are completely dreaming again. Come back to reality please. You're now speculating on top of speculation, on top of a lot of hope.
In reality, there's been:
ZERO indictments for Russian collusion
ZERO indictments for obstruction of justice
ZERO indictments for campaign finance violations (which is Trump's word vs Cohen's word as the "reason" for the payments....as most people know, CFV are usually resolved by just paying a fee anyhow (like the Obama administration))
A bunch of indictments for "lying" during the investigation. A few of the accused are now pushing back on the accusations.
A bunch of indictments for non-Trump related tax/business/lobbying stuff in years prior to 2015.
Not a single person related to the investigation, including the FBI personnel interviewed by the Intel Committees, have stated that there was any evidence of collusion.
As far as other crimes that you guys are hoping come to the surface..... Trump has been in the public eye for 40 years. He's never been indicted for anything. Not saying he hasn't done anything wrong, but come on guys, if he were running a criminal enterprise it would have been exposed by now.
Stop ignoring the blatant acts committed by the DNC/FBI/DOJ to truly undermine democracy. Working to help one candidate and hurt another - from within - is the very definition of undermining democracy.
Let me correct your “low energy”....
FELONY CFVs are different than what happened with Obama’s campaign and many others. Tell me, if you can, when has a presidential candidate ever been accused of paying off someone so the information didn’t see the light of day? Cohen plead guilty to this and Trump is an unnamed co-conspirator. Don’t let the radio mouth breathers fool you.
Also...again....what did they lie about? Why would they lie about it? I’ll leave you to your homework. You won’t answer though. Requires work.
Alan
L L wrote:
I sign of a meltdown usually leads to prolific use of exclamation marks.
Well, then Flagpole is having an obvious meltdown ...
Flagpole wrote:
No doubt in my mind.... wrote:
Hi Flagpole!!!!!
Yes, the Clintons are lifelong criminals. That we can all agree on.
Nope! Was not me.
WEJO, DO AN IP CHECK, AND IF I LIE, BAN ME FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. It matters not how criminal the Clintons are or are not. They could have a dungeon where they kill and eat people, and that would mean nothing with regard to Trump.
Again, here is Flagpole: WEJO, DO AN IP CHECK, AND IF I LIE, BAN ME FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Runeth up the Flagpole wrote:
On this particular issue... wrote:
When it comes to the issue of one side calling Trump corrupt & the Clintons angles and the other side calling the Clintons corrupt & Trump a successful business man—there is hypocrisy on both sides. Neither Trump or the Clintons have been convicted of any crime. But, both have had shady dealings that have lead to people close to them being indicted or even pleading guilty & going to jail. It is fair to say that both Trump and the Clintons are shady as hell. That is the fair, unbiased truth.
The difference though is Trump is currently in a government position, the Clintons are not. The logical conclusion for any person who is unbiased is that neither the Clintons or Trump should play a role in government at all. Therefore, any unbiased, thinking person cannot vote for Trump in 2020–to do so is the definition of hypocrisy.
I think one can rationalize why one voted for Trump in 2016 based on who his opponent was in that election. But, as long as his opponent in the general election is not named Clinton, well then in 2020 every patriotic American should vote against Trump—even if they have to do so while holding their nose.
Do some fact checking. You must not be aware, but Hillary Clinton was a Senator in New York, so yes she was in a government position and did very corrupt things. So then, any unbiased person should not have voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, but you did, right? There's your hypocrisy right there. Now comes the back and forth again. Or, you man up and admit that your post was rather incomplete;)
Flagpole has lost it with that last post, I mean really lost it. Hillary was a corrupt Senator who ran for President, and lost after losing to Obama before that. So yes, it does matter. Hence the back and forth on this thread.
It matters how? Do we look at any former politician and decide that if they were corrupt in some way that that means the current politician gets a pass?
I am no big Hillary Clinton fan if for no other reason than I do believe she was and is an enabler of Bill's sexual behavior, and because of that, I don't think she can be a champion for women in any way. As I have said many times, Bill Clinton lost my support due to his behavior while in office, and I felt he should have been removed from office for perjury and obstruction. As far as Hillary goes, I will never argue that she's not likable, because I don't particularly like her. She IS very smart though and would have been a pretty good President. She has been investigated to the ends of the earth and she has not been found guilty of any crimes, so I can't agree that she was corrupt. Once proof is shown, I will agree. Am I 100% sure she isn't corrupt? No. Was I certain (and correct) that Trump was by far a worse person and a less competent person than Hillary was on election day 2016? Yes. Did I know Trump was the criminal I now know him to be on election day? No.
I will state this again for clarity...it matters NOT what any person living or dead ever did with regard to what another person has done. That people have been imprisoned for being serial killers doesn't mean it would be ok for me to commit a burglary...this is what people like you are saying when you bring up that Hillary did such and such (her supposed corruption never proven of course). What Hillary has ever done has no bearing on what Trump has done, not in any conceivable way.
In case you didn't know...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
“But agreed the Dems need an African American or a woman on the ticket.”
I would prefer the BEST person is picked regardless of race or gender. Right now the only one that makes sense as a running mate is Klobuchar. The rest are too wonky.
We should not have a woman or person of color at the top of the ticket.
Alan
Yes, Flagpole seems to go a little off kilter with meltdown symptoms.
I gave you an assist there.
Hillary was never just an enabler of Bill's sexual assaults. She trashed the women that he sexually assaulted. How many women did Bill Clinton rape or sexually assault? The guy was a monster and she went along willingly. Just amazing how Bill is not in prison today.
Runningart2004 wrote:
We should not have a woman or person of color at the top of the ticket.
Alan
Do you want to restate that?
Maybe we should not have to have a woman or person of color at the top of the ticket?
Runningart2004 wrote:
“But agreed the Dems need an African American or a woman on the ticket.”
I would prefer the BEST person is picked regardless of race or gender. Right now the only one that makes sense as a running mate is Klobuchar. The rest are too wonky.
We should not have a woman or person of color at the top of the ticket.
Alan
You are saying no woman or person of color should be the Democratic presidential candidate?
Silly Willy wrote:
Sorry to interrupt your self-help group here, but you guys are completely dreaming again. Come back to reality please. You're now speculating on top of speculation, on top of a lot of hope.
In reality, there's been:
ZERO indictments for Russian collusion
ZERO indictments for obstruction of justice
ZERO indictments for campaign finance violations (which is Trump's word vs Cohen's word as the "reason" for the payments....as most people know, CFV are usually resolved by just paying a fee anyhow (like the Obama administration))
A bunch of indictments for "lying" during the investigation. A few of the accused are now pushing back on the accusations.
A bunch of indictments for non-Trump related tax/business/lobbying stuff in years prior to 2015.
Not a single person related to the investigation, including the FBI personnel interviewed by the Intel Committees, have stated that there was any evidence of collusion.
As far as other crimes that you guys are hoping come to the surface..... Trump has been in the public eye for 40 years. He's never been indicted for anything. Not saying he hasn't done anything wrong, but come on guys, if he were running a criminal enterprise it would have been exposed by now.
Stop ignoring the blatant acts committed by the DNC/FBI/DOJ to truly undermine democracy. Working to help one candidate and hurt another - from within - is the very definition of undermining democracy.
1) Investigations aren't over. This is beyond a ridiculous argument that you and other Trumpers make that because we haven't seen certain indictments yet that that means they aren't coming. Manafort hadn't been indicted yet either at one point during this investigation.
2) The campaign finance violations to which you refer were NOT felony ones regarding the Obama Administration. They ARE FELONY VIOLATIONS with regard to Trump...two counts of them too. There is a big difference between the two types of violations. Cohen is going to serve some time for this, and he has fingered Trump as a co-conspirator. Trump WILL be indicted for FELONY campaign finance law violations.
3) So, no one has ever gotten away with doing bad things for a long time before they were caught? Better tell that to a number of serial killers and mob bosses. Manafort got away with criminal behavior for a long time.
4) You do not know what witnesses have provided to investigators or Intel Committees. Weird to hang your hat on that.
Trump will be taken down by a lot of things, but one of them will be RICO. The Trump Organization is in the cross hairs of that type of investigation by the SDNY, and they WILL nail him for it.
You Trumpers are hanging your hat on some very weird sh!t.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole, I will ask again. Have you and are you currently guaranteeing that Trump will not finish his first term?
Flagpole wrote:
Silly Willy wrote:
Sorry to interrupt your self-help group here, but you guys are completely dreaming again. Come back to reality please. You're now speculating on top of speculation, on top of a lot of hope.
In reality, there's been:
ZERO indictments for Russian collusion
ZERO indictments for obstruction of justice
ZERO indictments for campaign finance violations (which is Trump's word vs Cohen's word as the "reason" for the payments....as most people know, CFV are usually resolved by just paying a fee anyhow (like the Obama administration))
A bunch of indictments for "lying" during the investigation. A few of the accused are now pushing back on the accusations.
A bunch of indictments for non-Trump related tax/business/lobbying stuff in years prior to 2015.
Not a single person related to the investigation, including the FBI personnel interviewed by the Intel Committees, have stated that there was any evidence of collusion.
As far as other crimes that you guys are hoping come to the surface..... Trump has been in the public eye for 40 years. He's never been indicted for anything. Not saying he hasn't done anything wrong, but come on guys, if he were running a criminal enterprise it would have been exposed by now.
Stop ignoring the blatant acts committed by the DNC/FBI/DOJ to truly undermine democracy. Working to help one candidate and hurt another - from within - is the very definition of undermining democracy.
1) Investigations aren't over. This is beyond a ridiculous argument that you and other Trumpers make that because we haven't seen certain indictments yet that that means they aren't coming. Manafort hadn't been indicted yet either at one point during this investigation.
2) The campaign finance violations to which you refer were NOT felony ones regarding the Obama Administration. They ARE FELONY VIOLATIONS with regard to Trump...two counts of them too. There is a big difference between the two types of violations. Cohen is going to serve some time for this, and he has fingered Trump as a co-conspirator. Trump WILL be indicted for FELONY campaign finance law violations.
3) So, no one has ever gotten away with doing bad things for a long time before they were caught? Better tell that to a number of serial killers and mob bosses. Manafort got away with criminal behavior for a long time.
4) You do not know what witnesses have provided to investigators or Intel Committees. Weird to hang your hat on that.
Trump will be taken down by a lot of things, but one of them will be RICO. The Trump Organization is in the cross hairs of that type of investigation by the SDNY, and they WILL nail him for it.
You Trumpers are hanging your hat on some very weird sh!t.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
You’ll still be saying this in 2021 following Trump’s second inauguration.
agip wrote:
L L wrote:
I agree with all of that.
And I think depending on how the impeachment trial goes, supporting Trump may be bad for the next election for Republicans.
Clearly, it does not look like that at the moment, though.
For those that say having a failed impeachment trial would be bad for Democrats, I disagree.
You could get 60 out 100 Senators voting to convict and that is not enough to remove him.
But that would be very bad for a re-election campaign.
I'm shuddering to think what it means for democracy in general if the hammer drops on trump, his kids are indicted, the reports show obvious crimes...yet R voters don't care. The only way democracy works is if we vote out the bad ones. If we don't vote out the bad ones, democracy fails.
I'm being mighty apocalyptic today. Will take a deep breath.
The Republicans that haven't been compromised will jump ship as soon as the sh*t hits the fan. It'll be their 'out'. I'm sure many are cringing inside, knowing what has happened to their party.
I was too young to remember details of Watergate, but Nixon maintained support from his party until the very end. Same is happening with Trump. Once the public knows, Trump's support will drop to ~25%.
I, like many, have Clinton-fatigue, but her recent tweet, "We're living through a full-fledged crisis in our democracy," is spot on. I don't think it's hyperbole to say that this is our biggest challenge as a nation since the Civil War. I feel we're on the precipice of chaos in this country. Trump won't go down without a fight and his base supporters are not the most stable group. It's going to get ugly before it gets better.
This investigation is YUGE and involves many, many people. Americans, Russians, many others. It's complicated, but I think our only chance as a country is for people to learn the truth. Peal back all the ugliness. People, from both parties, need to go down. Many have been compromised, Republican and Democrat.
Country over party.
Sally Vix wrote:
Hillary was never just an enabler of Bill's sexual assaults. She trashed the women that he sexually assaulted. How many women did Bill Clinton rape or sexually assault? The guy was a monster and she went along willingly. Just amazing how Bill is not in prison today.
We have asked time after time for your proof and all you have are FOX rumors. They have both been investigated, their lives and history combed through and all you have is lying about an affair. Combining Bill and Hillary’s investigations, GOP spent more than $100m of taxpayer money. Now you want to come back and reverse history claiming they are guilty. But if you have proof of all these other supposed crimes please do share!
nontrumper wrote:
agip wrote:
I'm shuddering to think what it means for democracy in general if the hammer drops on trump, his kids are indicted, the reports show obvious crimes...yet R voters don't care. The only way democracy works is if we vote out the bad ones. If we don't vote out the bad ones, democracy fails.
I'm being mighty apocalyptic today. Will take a deep breath.
The Republicans that haven't been compromised will jump ship as soon as the sh*t hits the fan. It'll be their 'out'. I'm sure many are cringing inside, knowing what has happened to their party.
I was too young to remember details of Watergate, but Nixon maintained support from his party until the very end. Same is happening with Trump. Once the public knows, Trump's support will drop to ~25%.
I, like many, have Clinton-fatigue, but her recent tweet, "We're living through a full-fledged crisis in our democracy," is spot on. I don't think it's hyperbole to say that this is our biggest challenge as a nation since the Civil War. I feel we're on the precipice of chaos in this country. Trump won't go down without a fight and his base supporters are not the most stable group. It's going to get ugly before it gets better.
This investigation is YUGE and involves many, many people. Americans, Russians, many others. It's complicated, but I think our only chance as a country is for people to learn the truth. Peal back all the ugliness. People, from both parties, need to go down. Many have been compromised, Republican and Democrat.
Country over party.
You are right that we are on the precipice of chaos in this country because the Liberals are trying to reverse the 2016 election. Trump won fair and square, and to borrow from Jack Nicholson in a Few Good Men, you can't handle the truth.
Trollminator wrote:
Hey Sally - now we understand more clearly why Trump got dog walked by Kim in Vietnam. Kim got concessions without having to agree to anything. He got US military drills with SK cancelled. Still want to claim we didn’t lose anything?
Great negotiating by Trump huh. Now of course you can say Trump wanted to do that anyway to save us money. That would be an admission of his ineptitude of course since he clearly still does not understand the underlying value of of our military presence there. Not to mention again he’s gone against the advice of everyone around him. Yeah, great negotiator. I prefer he stay away from any deal making and if he can’t then I hope he fails at all instead of striking a terrible deal each time.
Sally do you still think trump is a master deal maker and do you believe his response to criticism on Otto?
Trollminator wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Hillary was never just an enabler of Bill's sexual assaults. She trashed the women that he sexually assaulted. How many women did Bill Clinton rape or sexually assault? The guy was a monster and she went along willingly. Just amazing how Bill is not in prison today.
We have asked time after time for your proof and all you have are FOX rumors. They have both been investigated, their lives and history combed through and all you have is lying about an affair. Combining Bill and Hillary’s investigations, GOP spent more than $100m of taxpayer money. Now you want to come back and reverse history claiming they are guilty. But if you have proof of all these other supposed crimes please do share!
Ummm . . . ever heard of the DEEP STATE?
Sally Vix wrote:
Flagpole, I will ask again. Have you and are you currently guaranteeing that Trump will not finish his first term?
Yes, the guarantee is that Mueller will come and the clown will be done by January 21, 2021. There are some exception clauses that protect Flagpole from being wrong in the case of unprecedented extreme events blocking "usual" Capitol Hill protocol (alien invasion, nuclear Armageddon, etc ), but otherwise Trump must not be president of the US by the aforementioned day in order for Flagpole's greatest (and singular) I Told You So in LRC history. I have many bookmarked pages in this thread and intend to serve as witness in the case of Flapole's humiliating defeat or grand super correctness, whichever one it is. But it shall be known, recorded, and witnessed so future generations of LRC know what has occurred
Sally Vix wrote:
You are right that we are on the precipice of chaos in this country because the Liberals are trying to reverse the 2016 election. Trump won fair and square, and to borrow from Jack Nicholson in a Few Good Men, you can't handle the truth.
One should never use the words, 'Trump' and 'truth' in the same sentence. Bad form.