You can't make this stuff up.....
President Trump on Sunday blamed the congressional testimony of Michael Cohen, his former personal lawyer and fixer, for the collapse in negotiations with North Korea over its nuclear program last week — continuing to vent about the investigations encircling him and his associates.
”So in other words...
U.S. intelligence community: lying
U.S. congress: lying
U.S. media: lying
Russian former head of KGB and autocrat: totally truthful” – Rigged for Trump
Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine am?
Ghost of Igloi... wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
It is impossible to read this thread anymore with all the re-posts to posts.
Yep, but you're still here sir.
The problem is Democrats believe that only they can post what the want and rip every thread by someone on the right.
Because of that you get the back and forth and it will never end sir.
Example. The left posts a link about Trump's ratings. To them it's spot on regardless of the source.
The right comes back with their ratings and the left complains about their source, as if the one on the left is THE source.
It won't end.
Now the trollminator dude thinks he's got some great euphoric prediction to end all predictions, as if it's something so unique and original that he feels he's a genius, but he's not.
Someone else on the right makes a prediction and it's all trump fantasy world fake news stuff, not real or accurate.
Clinton made racist comments, look it up yourself.
Trump has made racist comments, so if you voted for Trump you're a racist, which is laughable at best. But...if you voted for Hillary, you're not a racist, just a gender biased left winger who wanted a woman in Office, so then they are gender biased. Wait, what???
Look at the posts over the last few months, that's what it's boiled down to. FP thinks whatever he posts is the "word". Anyone else posts something, you're wrong and you'll see brother---over and over and over.
Flagpole wants to prove he was right, again, as if he was the only person on earth to have the same thoughts on the subject.
He's pissed that Trump won over 2 years ago in what was predicted to be a landslide by Clinton. Once he was proven wrong, he started with silly excuses like FB ads, Russia, California, the popular vote, etc...but when Obama won...?
So now he's dying for Trump to be impeached or resign and give the "Biggest I told you so in Letsrun history", his words as insecure as they are. But now he's hedging his predictions with excuses about this, that, and the other thing.
Do you believe Hillary was guilty of many "wrong doings" involving money, lying to the American people, and her lies where 4 people lost their lives? If you don't, then there ya go, you're one of them.
Only an ignorant fool, whether left/right/center, could not admit that she was guilty of many, many things, she just wasn't charged and those on the left will fall back on that every time.
Yet, Trump is guilty of everything and will be convicted.
How's that Igloi??? Help much???
99% of the liberals on this site can't comprehend a post like mine, but I still sleep very well at night knowing Hillary is not in command---shoulda had a better candidate lefties.
If Flagpole made the same posts but with the names changed 180 degrees, he'd boasting till April if not longer.
He has the right to post facts and to his own opinion, but so does everyone else on this thread, including you.
Those on the left were blown away when Trump won and probably had a few weeks of not getting much sleep over their anger. Trump was not my first choice, but he's better than Hillary as her own side agreed with her lies (but you won't research that, will ya?).
Have a great night. I'm in the Midwest and go to bed at 10ish so I can get up early to run. You're a decent poster and probably a super nice guy, but your statement needed a response.
Ciao!
As far as polls go Trump supporters like to cherry pick their polls. The rest of us use the average of polls because we understand one poll can be extremely unreliable especially when that one poll is consistently 5% or more off when compared to every other poll. If 100 polls tell me something is 42% likely and 1 poll tells me something is 50% likely which polls should I believe?
But I guess Putin tells me they didn’t do it, The Crown Prince tells me he had no idea, and Kim tells me he had no clue so yeah there’s a pattern here and I believe them over my own intel agencies.
Alan
No doubt in my mind.... wrote:
Um.......... wrote:
Couldn’t the same thing be said about Trump? At last count somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 individuals and 3 or 4 companies have been indicted due to the Muller probe. The GOP investigated the Benghazi incident for years and found nothing. The articles cited above say the feds have found nothing to investigate in regards to uranium one and the Clinton foundation—and they have looked.
Why would they appoint a special counsel to investigate her? She is not POTUS and is no longer working in the government. Had she been elected, there likely would’ve been investigations into a variety of these topics.
If your logic that Hillary is a crook has to do with stuff from the 90s or earlier when the Clintons were investigated and some of their associates were indicted then why don’t you apply that same logic to Trump? He is clearly a crook based on that logic and the number of indictments / guilty pleas Muller has gotten in a relatively short time frame. This is, of course, even before SDNY really gets going on all of the crimes he committed prior to becoming POTUS.
I voted for Johnson BTW—primarily because of the character of Clinton and Trump. Though Trump is clearly worse and people who believe anything he says are really delusion and prone to following con-men / snake oil salesmen apparently.
At this point, any thinking person looking ahead to 2020 has to be in the camp of getting Trump out of office (i.e. voting against Trump, maybe holding their nose depending on who he is running against). Anyone still supporting Trump at this point has to be very stupid / gullible.
....that the above is correct. Even discussing the Clintons is ridiculous at this point. Trump is a lifelong criminal.
Trump is a lifelong criminal yet he has never spent a day in jail? Is that all you have? Just claiming he is a lifelong criminal. It is becoming increasingly evident that he will finish out his first term and then win re-election. Americans don't want socialistic nutjobs like AOC, Bernie, Warren and the rest of them. Most Americans want fairness and they can see how the Democrats have spent the last 2 years trying to reverse an election that Trump rightfully won. You can whine about it and cry in your beer but Trump DID rightfully win the election. My prediction is he serves 8 years and does great things for the country. After that I really don't care what happens but he will have saved whatever destruction to the country that Hillary would have wrought.
Trollminator wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Agree mostly. The House is not holding back. They are doing these hearings and investigations for political cover to add to whatever is in the Mueller Report and the SDNY. SDNY may not even be close to finished. All in all if will be enough to ultimately begin impeachment proceedings probably by the summer. Senate will acquit. I still don’t think there will be enough evidence for a criminal trial conviction though.
I also predict a landslide loss for Trump and if Beto runs Trump loses TX by a slim margin.
Alan
I wasn’t too convinced about potential criminal conviction either but now I am. With him losing in 2020 and the bombardment of accusations coming, too many people will rightfully want to make an example out of him and show him with handcuffs on television.
Agreed on the landslide loss. He already only won by a slim margin across those swing states, that’s with 46%. How’s he going to slice 42-44% in any way for another win? Not gonna happen.
Your posts so far have been trash so none of us will hold our breaths waiting for your prognostication to come true.
Your prediction is that partisan politicians will stay partisan.
I see a crack that may open up.
Trump's emergency wall is about voted down with the help of a few Republicans in the senate.
Trump will likely veto that sending back to require a 2/3 vote to block it.
Republican senators don't have an issue with Trump's funding, but they do have an issue with going around Congress and its potential implications of what a future Democrat president may try to do.
You may see enough Republicans jump on board for the override.
Jumping ahead to an impeachment trial, I think it's possible to get Republicans on board depending on how the trial goes and what comes out that hasn't yet.
Besides the public hearing, Cohen had two days of behind doors hearings and that isn't done yet.
Flynn hasn't been sentenced yet.
Gates hasn't been sentenced.
Manafort hasn't been sentenced.
Roger Stone has yet to be tried.
We haven't heard from Trump's CFO yet who has been given immunity.
Don Jr hasn't been charged yet.
Trump's taxes and financials have yet to be subpoenaed and made public.
Imagine all of that dropping during an impeachment trial.
Ever see 12 angry men?
It starts with an 11-1 guilty vote and and gets turned 0-12 by the end.
You'll have 53 angry Republican senators but may see 20 change their mind.
If it looks like it will head that way, Trump will resign before the vote is made public.
Flagpole wrote:
No doubt in my mind.... wrote:
Hi Flagpole!!!!!
Yes, the Clintons are lifelong criminals. That we can all agree on.
Nope! Was not me.
WEJO, DO AN IP CHECK, AND IF I LIE, BAN ME FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. It matters not how criminal the Clintons are or are not. They could have a dungeon where they kill and eat people, and that would mean nothing with regard to Trump.
It matters when you prove your hypocrisy.
Eel.... wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Nope! Was not me.
WEJO, DO AN IP CHECK, AND IF I LIE, BAN ME FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. It matters not how criminal the Clintons are or are not. They could have a dungeon where they kill and eat people, and that would mean nothing with regard to Trump.
It matters when you prove your hypocrisy.
When it comes to the issue of one side calling Trump corrupt & the Clintons angles and the other side calling the Clintons corrupt & Trump a successful business man—there is hypocrisy on both sides. Neither Trump or the Clintons have been convicted of any crime. But, both have had shady dealings that have lead to people close to them being indicted or even pleading guilty & going to jail. It is fair to say that both Trump and the Clintons are shady as hell. That is the fair, unbiased truth.
The difference though is Trump is currently in a government position, the Clintons are not. The logical conclusion for any person who is unbiased is that neither the Clintons or Trump should play a role in government at all. Therefore, any unbiased, thinking person cannot vote for Trump in 2020–to do so is the definition of hypocrisy.
I think one can rationalize why one voted for Trump in 2016 based on who his opponent was in that election. But, as long as his opponent in the general election is not named Clinton, well then in 2020 every patriotic American should vote against Trump—even if they have to do so while holding their nose.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Democracy dies in darkness, huh? wrote:
Completely missed the Epic Flagboy streak yesterday! Just like the collusion narrative, he's going down in flames. It has been incredible to watch these last few years. So many posts, so little to show for it.
With Trump's approval rating basically as high as it's ever been (44.2% on RCP PoP), you've got to wonder if the fake investigation is ultimately going to help him in 2020.
The Intel community working to undermine democracy by letting one candidate off for actual crimes and destroying evidence (HRC/DNC), while spying on and setting up the other with a fake foreign collusion narrative will go down as the most disgraceful series of events in our federal government's history.
His approval rating is weird because it was never very good in the first place and it’s just kinda maintained the same level throughout his term. Low to mid 40s give or take a few % for the standard error. It drops as a knee jerk then rebounds to the low to mid 40s.
The question remains can he still win with a low to mid 40s approval?
The investigations in the House are building steam.
Beto I’m sure is running and if he can grass root nationally the way he did in TX....he will beat Trump in a landslide.Assuming he can weasel his way past the progressive monsters in the primary.
Alan
The weekend's NBC/WSJ poll has him at 46%. That is HIGH for that poll. Rasmussen has him back at 49-50% range. TheHill, Harris, FOX all have him at 45-46%.
I'm not saying these are wonderful numbers, but it shows that despite all the political theatrics, and lying and manipulating from the MSM on a daily basis, a lot of people still prefer him to the establishment scum. And approval rating doesn't mean that those are the only folks that will vote for him. If approval is 45%, but many will also hold their nose and vote for him because it's the worse of two evils, he could be at 55% for all we know. His rating is no worse than Obama's was at this point in his presidency, and he won re-election easily.
I also think you folks on the Left are doing yourselves a huge disservice by ignoring (intentionally, or just because your news feeds simply don't cover it) the HRC-FBI-DOJ conspiracy against the Trump campaign and subsequent presidency. None of the hard evidence (FISA timing, texts, emails, testimony from FBI/DOJ officials) has even been denied by them- they've been caught red-handed working against one candidate to undermine democracy. Brennan, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Baker, the Ohrs, Steele, etc., etc., etc. used this whole BS Russian collusion narrative to spy on and then drag down Trump with a fake, illegal "counterintelligence" investigation, and you ate it up. You believed.
The American people- even Trump haters- should be able to be honest with themselves and acknowledge the fact that this will go down as one of the most disgraceful, corrupt acts ever perpetrated against a political opponent in history.
They cheated, still lost, and have since been trying to cheat some more to make up for their devastating loss. Cheaters never win. Luckily HRC lost.
Mueller NOPE.
Clownpole DOPE.
On this particular issue... wrote:
Eel.... wrote:
It matters when you prove your hypocrisy.
When it comes to the issue of one side calling Trump corrupt & the Clintons angles and the other side calling the Clintons corrupt & Trump a successful business man—there is hypocrisy on both sides. Neither Trump or the Clintons have been convicted of any crime. But, both have had shady dealings that have lead to people close to them being indicted or even pleading guilty & going to jail. It is fair to say that both Trump and the Clintons are shady as hell. That is the fair, unbiased truth.
The difference though is Trump is currently in a government position, the Clintons are not. The logical conclusion for any person who is unbiased is that neither the Clintons or Trump should play a role in government at all. Therefore, any unbiased, thinking person cannot vote for Trump in 2020–to do so is the definition of hypocrisy.
I think one can rationalize why one voted for Trump in 2016 based on who his opponent was in that election. But, as long as his opponent in the general election is not named Clinton, well then in 2020 every patriotic American should vote against Trump—even if they have to do so while holding their nose.
Do some fact checking. You must not be aware, but Hillary Clinton was a Senator in New York, so yes she was in a government position and did very corrupt things. So then, any unbiased person should not have voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, but you did, right? There's your hypocrisy right there. Now comes the back and forth again. Or, you man up and admit that your post was rather incomplete;)
Flagpole has lost it with that last post, I mean really lost it. Hillary was a corrupt Senator who ran for President, and lost after losing to Obama before that. So yes, it does matter. Hence the back and forth on this thread.
L L wrote:
Your prediction is that partisan politicians will stay partisan.
I see a crack that may open up.
Trump's emergency wall is about voted down with the help of a few Republicans in the senate.
Trump will likely veto that sending back to require a 2/3 vote to block it.
Republican senators don't have an issue with Trump's funding, but they do have an issue with going around Congress and its potential implications of what a future Democrat president may try to do.
You may see enough Republicans jump on board for the override.
Jumping ahead to an impeachment trial, I think it's possible to get Republicans on board depending on how the trial goes and what comes out that hasn't yet.
Besides the public hearing, Cohen had two days of behind doors hearings and that isn't done yet.
Flynn hasn't been sentenced yet.
Gates hasn't been sentenced.
Manafort hasn't been sentenced.
Roger Stone has yet to be tried.
We haven't heard from Trump's CFO yet who has been given immunity.
Don Jr hasn't been charged yet.
Trump's taxes and financials have yet to be subpoenaed and made public.
Imagine all of that dropping during an impeachment trial.
Ever see 12 angry men?
It starts with an 11-1 guilty vote and and gets turned 0-12 by the end.
You'll have 53 angry Republican senators but may see 20 change their mind.
If it looks like it will head that way, Trump will resign before the vote is made public.
the only thing that will matter to the Rs in congress is whether Trump is good for their next election or bad for their next election. Trump can clearly do whatever he wants at any time, and congressional Rs won't care.
Unless.
Unless it looks like Trump is an anchor pulling the entire party down.
So as for as the mueller report and congressonal investigations....and all those sentencings and chargings you mention...unless the base turns against trump and polls show trump will lose to the Dem in the election...none of it will matter.
(I will say that voting down the emergency declaration is an interesting development, if it happens - clearly those 4 R senators are going against the m@ga base. Maybe what will matter is if they suffer any consequences for pushign back against trumpism)
Silly Willy wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
His approval rating is weird because it was never very good in the first place and it’s just kinda maintained the same level throughout his term. Low to mid 40s give or take a few % for the standard error. It drops as a knee jerk then rebounds to the low to mid 40s.
The question remains can he still win with a low to mid 40s approval?
The investigations in the House are building steam.
Beto I’m sure is running and if he can grass root nationally the way he did in TX....he will beat Trump in a landslide.Assuming he can weasel his way past the progressive monsters in the primary.
Alan
The weekend's NBC/WSJ poll has him at 46%. That is HIGH for that poll. Rasmussen has him back at 49-50% range. TheHill, Harris, FOX all have him at 45-46%.
I'm not saying these are wonderful numbers, but it shows that despite all the political theatrics, and lying and manipulating from the MSM on a daily basis, a lot of people still prefer him to the establishment scum. And approval rating doesn't mean that those are the only folks that will vote for him. If approval is 45%, but many will also hold their nose and vote for him because it's the worse of two evils, he could be at 55% for all we know. His rating is no worse than Obama's was at this point in his presidency, and he won re-election easily.
I also think you folks on the Left are doing yourselves a huge disservice by ignoring (intentionally, or just because your news feeds simply don't cover it) the HRC-FBI-DOJ conspiracy against the Trump campaign and subsequent presidency. None of the hard evidence (FISA timing, texts, emails, testimony from FBI/DOJ officials) has even been denied by them- they've been caught red-handed working against one candidate to undermine democracy. Brennan, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Baker, the Ohrs, Steele, etc., etc., etc. used this whole BS Russian collusion narrative to spy on and then drag down Trump with a fake, illegal "counterintelligence" investigation, and you ate it up. You believed.
The American people- even Trump haters- should be able to be honest with themselves and acknowledge the fact that this will go down as one of the most disgraceful, corrupt acts ever perpetrated against a political opponent in history.
They cheated, still lost, and have since been trying to cheat some more to make up for their devastating loss. Cheaters never win. Luckily HRC lost.
Mueller NOPE.
Clownpole DOPE.
They're also doing themselves an even bigger disservice by ignoring the black and Hispanic Trump supporters.
Polls are showing that both groups are in fact every so slightly shifting toward Trump. A poll of African Americans was as high as 22% approval for Trump (up from 8% of the vote in 2016). Another poll had Hispanics as high as 40% (up from 29% of the vote in 2016).
That's what happens when you treat entire races like obedient children for years while not actually delivering them any results.
Hey Sally - now we understand more clearly why Trump got dog walked by Kim in Vietnam. Kim got concessions without having to agree to anything. He got US military drills with SK cancelled. Still want to claim we didn’t lose anything?
Great negotiating by Trump huh. Now of course you can say Trump wanted to do that anyway to save us money. That would be an admission of his ineptitude of course since he clearly still does not understand the underlying value of of our military presence there. Not to mention again he’s gone against the advice of everyone around him. Yeah, great negotiator. I prefer he stay away from any deal making and if he can’t then I hope he fails at all instead of striking a terrible deal each time.
Don't forget wrote:
Silly Willy wrote:
The weekend's NBC/WSJ poll has him at 46%. That is HIGH for that poll. Rasmussen has him back at 49-50% range. TheHill, Harris, FOX all have him at 45-46%.
I'm not saying these are wonderful numbers, but it shows that despite all the political theatrics, and lying and manipulating from the MSM on a daily basis, a lot of people still prefer him to the establishment scum. And approval rating doesn't mean that those are the only folks that will vote for him. If approval is 45%, but many will also hold their nose and vote for him because it's the worse of two evils, he could be at 55% for all we know. His rating is no worse than Obama's was at this point in his presidency, and he won re-election easily.
I also think you folks on the Left are doing yourselves a huge disservice by ignoring (intentionally, or just because your news feeds simply don't cover it) the HRC-FBI-DOJ conspiracy against the Trump campaign and subsequent presidency. None of the hard evidence (FISA timing, texts, emails, testimony from FBI/DOJ officials) has even been denied by them- they've been caught red-handed working against one candidate to undermine democracy. Brennan, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Baker, the Ohrs, Steele, etc., etc., etc. used this whole BS Russian collusion narrative to spy on and then drag down Trump with a fake, illegal "counterintelligence" investigation, and you ate it up. You believed.
The American people- even Trump haters- should be able to be honest with themselves and acknowledge the fact that this will go down as one of the most disgraceful, corrupt acts ever perpetrated against a political opponent in history.
They cheated, still lost, and have since been trying to cheat some more to make up for their devastating loss. Cheaters never win. Luckily HRC lost.
Mueller NOPE.
Clownpole DOPE.
They're also doing themselves an even bigger disservice by ignoring the black and Hispanic Trump supporters.
Polls are showing that both groups are in fact every so slightly shifting toward Trump. A poll of African Americans was as high as 22% approval for Trump (up from 8% of the vote in 2016). Another poll had Hispanics as high as 40% (up from 29% of the vote in 2016).
That's what happens when you treat entire races like obedient children for years while not actually delivering them any results.
You're much too low on the AA approval. It's been going up pretty steadily over the last year or so. This and the Hispanic support should be scaring the carp out of Dems right now.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/16/trump-approval-rating-african-americans-rasmussen-poll/1013212002/I'm just trying to imagine what went through the head of the g'dm Federal Bureau of Investigation when Trump started using Mafia code to give him orders.
great piece of analysis on how Trump shields himself through his people - trump never orders crimes - he just lets his lietuenants know that he wants the crimes committed. Trump spoke to cohen and comey in the say way - cohen took his mobster orders, comey didn't.
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RICO was precisely designed to catch the godfathers and bosses at the top of these crime syndicates — people a step or two removed from the actual crimes committed, those whose will is made real, even without a direct order.
Exactly, it appears, as Mr. Trump did at the top of his family business: “Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to Congress. That’s not how he operates,” Mr. Cohen said. Mr. Trump, Mr. Cohen said, “doesn’t give orders. He speaks in code. And I understand that code.”
What’s notable about Mr. Cohen’s comments is how they paint a consistent (and credible) pattern of Mr. Trump’s behavior: The former F.B.I. director James Comey, in testimony nearly two years ago in the wake of his firing, made almost exactly the same point and used almost exactly the same language. Mr. Trump never directly ordered him to drop the Flynn investigation, Mr. Comey said, but he made it all too clear what he wanted — the president isolated Mr. Comey, with no other ears around, and then said he hoped Mr. Comey “can let this go.” As Mr. Comey said, “I took it as, this is what he wants me to do.” He cited in his testimony then the famous example of King Henry II’s saying, “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?,” a question that resulted in the murder of that very meddlesome priest, Thomas Becket.
Sally Vix wrote:
No doubt in my mind.... wrote:
....that the above is correct. Even discussing the Clintons is ridiculous at this point. Trump is a lifelong criminal.
Trump is a lifelong criminal yet he has never spent a day in jail? Is that all you have? Just claiming he is a lifelong criminal. It is becoming increasingly evident that he will finish out his first term and then win re-election. Americans don't want socialistic nutjobs like AOC, Bernie, Warren and the rest of them. Most Americans want fairness and they can see how the Democrats have spent the last 2 years trying to reverse an election that Trump rightfully won. You can whine about it and cry in your beer but Trump DID rightfully win the election. My prediction is he serves 8 years and does great things for the country. After that I really don't care what happens but he will have saved whatever destruction to the country that Hillary would have wrought.
Demonizing Socialism is not a winning argument. More and more people support Socialism over capitalism. Of course what you guys call Socialism isn’t really Socialism to begin with. Medicare is Socialism then right? Medicare for all is highly popular. Free college is highly popular. Not saying these are good ideas just saying these are the facts.
And about polls. What fool is saying Trump has 20% approval amongst African Americans? Are you high? When was the last time a white Republican in ANY political race got 20%?
Comparing Obama’s numbers to Trump’s is misleading. Obama never had such a high disapproval to approval gap plus he came down from 50+ so had wiggle room to get back up there before the election. Trump has mired in the low to mid 40s his entire term and seems content with that. He can’t win with that same 46%. The demographics in 2020 simply don’t support it. His approval has gone down in every state and is under water in the three states he needs (Wi, MI, PA). You can believe these facts or you can do what our Dear Leader does and make up his own facts.
The national emergency I think is the last straw. The GOP is pulling away from him. People will see this. It’s blatant overreach by an autocrat who wishes he was our Dear Leader like his North Korean boyfriend.
Alan
Runeth up the Flagpole wrote:
On this particular issue... wrote:
When it comes to the issue of one side calling Trump corrupt & the Clintons angles and the other side calling the Clintons corrupt & Trump a successful business man—there is hypocrisy on both sides. Neither Trump or the Clintons have been convicted of any crime. But, both have had shady dealings that have lead to people close to them being indicted or even pleading guilty & going to jail. It is fair to say that both Trump and the Clintons are shady as hell. That is the fair, unbiased truth.
The difference though is Trump is currently in a government position, the Clintons are not. The logical conclusion for any person who is unbiased is that neither the Clintons or Trump should play a role in government at all. Therefore, any unbiased, thinking person cannot vote for Trump in 2020–to do so is the definition of hypocrisy.
I think one can rationalize why one voted for Trump in 2016 based on who his opponent was in that election. But, as long as his opponent in the general election is not named Clinton, well then in 2020 every patriotic American should vote against Trump—even if they have to do so while holding their nose.
Do some fact checking. You must not be aware, but Hillary Clinton was a Senator in New York, so yes she was in a government position and did very corrupt things. So then, any unbiased person should not have voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, but you did, right? There's your hypocrisy right there. Now comes the back and forth again. Or, you man up and admit that your post was rather incomplete;)
Flagpole has lost it with that last post, I mean really lost it. Hillary was a corrupt Senator who ran for President, and lost after losing to Obama before that. So yes, it does matter. Hence the back and forth on this thread.
Please address Trump’s corruption—like Clinton—he is accused of many things but has not been indicted or convicted of a crime. Why does he get a pass on all of that in your mand? Why doesn’t Clinton get a pass if he does?
Of course I know Clinton WAS a Senator (emphasis on past tense) but she is not in the government now and, as of yet, is not running for any office. If she were I certainly would not vote for her.
I also did not vote for Clinton in 2016—I voted for Gary MFing Johnson (2:43 marathoner) FTW! My conscience is clear. I am also not old enough to have voted for Bill.
The point remains, Trump is at least as corrupt as Clinton—perhaps more. Thus, if you didn’t vote for Hillary because she is corrupt, how do you rationalize voting for Trump in 2020 given what we know about all the shady things he has done IN office, his apparent lack of good judgment based on all of the people in his administration who have plead guilty or been indicted for wrong doing, his dangerous nepotism in giving his son in law top secret clearance despite the objection of his own intelligence officials (many of whom HE appointed), and his disgraceful pandering to authoritarian dictators who are hostile to the USA?
The above issues bother all Americans of good conscience regardless of political party. Both Rs and Ds have issues with the above. Do you simply blindly follow Trump with no ability to see his very obvious and serious flaws?
On this particular issue.... wrote:
Runeth up the Flagpole wrote:
Do some fact checking. You must not be aware, but Hillary Clinton was a Senator in New York, so yes she was in a government position and did very corrupt things. So then, any unbiased person should not have voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, but you did, right? There's your hypocrisy right there. Now comes the back and forth again. Or, you man up and admit that your post was rather incomplete;)
Flagpole has lost it with that last post, I mean really lost it. Hillary was a corrupt Senator who ran for President, and lost after losing to Obama before that. So yes, it does matter. Hence the back and forth on this thread.
Please address Trump’s corruption—like Clinton—he is accused of many things but has not been indicted or convicted of a crime. Why does he get a pass on all of that in your mand? Why doesn’t Clinton get a pass if he does?
Of course I know Clinton WAS a Senator (emphasis on past tense) but she is not in the government now and, as of yet, is not running for any office. If she were I certainly would not vote for her.
I also did not vote for Clinton in 2016—I voted for Gary MFing Johnson (2:43 marathoner) FTW! My conscience is clear. I am also not old enough to have voted for Bill.
The point remains, Trump is at least as corrupt as Clinton—perhaps more.
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1. If you didn't vote for HRC, you voted for Trump. Gary Johnson voters were imperfect trumpers but trumpers all the same. Don't dodge your responsibility for Trump - you enabled him.
2. I have done a ton of reading on Clinton, I've been voting since the 1980s, I'm not naïve. Hillary Clinton is greedy but she is not corrupt. Greed is common in humanity. Almost all of us are greedy. Calling her corrupt is massively unfair to her and shows that you don't really know what you are talking about - you are just trying to hold yourself over the fray, saying you are better than any of those scum in DC.
You know what - both your claims do the same thing - voting for Johnson makes you feel above the fray, and calling HRC also makes you feel above the fray.
Well congrats - people like you gave us trump and made the country believe a solid public servant is corrupt.
(I agree HRC messed up with emails - but that was not corrupt - just a dumb IT decision and coverup)
Runningart2004 wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Trump is a lifelong criminal yet he has never spent a day in jail? Is that all you have? Just claiming he is a lifelong criminal. It is becoming increasingly evident that he will finish out his first term and then win re-election. Americans don't want socialistic nutjobs like AOC, Bernie, Warren and the rest of them. Most Americans want fairness and they can see how the Democrats have spent the last 2 years trying to reverse an election that Trump rightfully won. You can whine about it and cry in your beer but Trump DID rightfully win the election. My prediction is he serves 8 years and does great things for the country. After that I really don't care what happens but he will have saved whatever destruction to the country that Hillary would have wrought.
Demonizing Socialism is not a winning argument. More and more people support Socialism over capitalism. Of course what you guys call Socialism isn’t really Socialism to begin with. Medicare is Socialism then right? Medicare for all is highly popular. Free college is highly popular. Not saying these are good ideas just saying these are the facts.
Alan
disagree - I saw a study last week - asked voters what they consider negative aspects of candidates. The very most negative trait was 'being a socialist.' The most negative.
If the Dems nominate a socialist they will lose and trump will win.
Of course the Rs will claim all the Ds are socialists, so the word will cease meaning anything.