I ran in the big ten and they would randomly test everyone at least once a year.
if you ran at big ten champs in either xc, indoors or outdoors you were almost always tested that following Monday or Tuesday, regardless of performance.
I was never tested by the NCAA itself, but the big ten was plenty strict by itself.
Once a year? So what is the statistical probability of being caught - particularly if the drug is masked or used in micro-doses?
I mean EVERYONE is randomly tested at least once a year regardless of their accomplishments. My freshman year I didn’t make travel squad but was still tested twice. If I went to big tens in all 3 seasons I would’ve been tested probably 5 times. If I qualified for regionals or nationals you could be sure as hell it would be an additional 1-4 tests.
I think getting tested 5-9 times a year is plenty for colleges athletes. I had a teammate that I know for a fact was not doping that placed 4th in the 400 at indoor nationals. So I think you’re being a bit overzealous in your doping scheming.
Were you tested by the Big10 or by the school? We have all heard how major universities will turn a blind eye to doping among their athletes. (has an NCAA football, basketball or baseball player ever received a doping penalty?). So even assuming that a single random urine test could be effective re PEDs, if the school is administering it, then its useless.
I bet you I could but I won't pending further developments. I threw in an olive branch towards the end but if I didn't have a point it would not have taken 25 pages to argue against it.
That means 50% of the runners in the NCAA 5000 were doping. And I would assume that the fastest ones are the culprits.
The NCAA aren't world or regional championship athletes, which is what the survey was of. So it doesn't have the same statistical inference. But, you are correct, that it is more likely that the dopers amongst that group are more successful. That's why athletes dope.
Once a year? So what is the statistical probability of being caught - particularly if the drug is masked or used in micro-doses?
I mean EVERYONE is randomly tested at least once a year regardless of their accomplishments. My freshman year I didn’t make travel squad but was still tested twice. If I went to big tens in all 3 seasons I would’ve been tested probably 5 times. If I qualified for regionals or nationals you could be sure as hell it would be an additional 1-4 tests.
I think getting tested 5-9 times a year is plenty for colleges athletes. I had a teammate that I know for a fact was not doping that placed 4th in the 400 at indoor nationals. So I think you’re being a bit overzealous in your doping scheming.
I'm simply pointing out that the chances of catching anyone are fairly slim when they are tested one day in the year. And most who dope aren't caught. They know how to beat the testers, unless they are dumb or careless.
An anonymous poster claims that the brightest young American is doping and the former American record holder was doping. He deems Solinsky not worthy to coach even though the AD at a high level college with a high level athletics program hired him. Sounds like Astro is reliable.
The poster going by the handle astro actually said, Solinsky was “doped to the gills”.
Moderators seem to be protecting the guy, because when further questioned about, they deleted his post. Deletions or not, all of this is being recorded.
There is a distinct pattern where these guys have singled out particular athletes in the NCAA, while giving others, which would actually warrant suspicion per their suspect criteria, a pass. It’s a hatchet job.
So basically you admit that the whole reason you think she’s doping is because of a non verified conversion to a 14:51 5k that she hasn’t even run yet. Great.
Proves how fallible your argument is. A 18:58 6k is 15:48 pace. You think she’s dropping a minute to a track with only a k less distance?
Also, you guys are failing to realize that the TAMU course is notoriously flat. Eric casters from tamu has run about 23:30 on that course the past two years. You wanna know his 5k and 10k track PRs? 13:54 and 29:54. Really not all that impressive in the grand scheme of things. Didn’t even get top 5 in the 5k or 10k at SEC outdoors last year.
you are looking way too far into one result and extrapolating from there which is completely unfair to any athlete.
One of the few people on this thread making any sense!
Guys we see this all the time people go crazy over some performance that's difficult to evaluate in perspective!
Valby is not going to be blowing away the top runners! Maybe she's the best maybe she's still a close second but there's nothing crazy about this performance!
Cross country courses can run very different from your year to year... can be set up short... or the conditions can be very optimal.. or someone can just have the race of their life!
An anonymous poster claims that the brightest young American is doping and the former American record holder was doping. He deems Solinsky not worthy to coach even though the AD at a high level college with a high level athletics program hired him. Sounds like Astro is reliable.
The poster going by the handle astro actually said, Solinsky was “doped to the gills”.
Moderators seem to be protecting the guy, because when further questioned about, they deleted his post. Deletions or not, all of this is being recorded.
There is a distinct pattern where these guys have singled out particular athletes in the NCAA, while giving others, which would actually warrant suspicion per their suspect criteria, a pass. It’s a hatchet job.
Yeah exactly. All my posts comparing Touhy's musculature with Shelby's were deleted, but apparently it's fine to say disparaging things about Valby's body? Strange.
The poster going by the handle astro actually said, Solinsky was “doped to the gills”.
Moderators seem to be protecting the guy, because when further questioned about, they deleted his post. Deletions or not, all of this is being recorded.
There is a distinct pattern where these guys have singled out particular athletes in the NCAA, while giving others, which would actually warrant suspicion per their suspect criteria, a pass. It’s a hatchet job.
Yeah exactly. All my posts comparing Touhy's musculature with Shelby's were deleted, but apparently it's fine to say disparaging things about Valby's body? Strange.
It’s beyond strange. It’s a concerted hatchet job.
They champion the idea that doping is widespread at the top levels of sport. But they will then use their selective criteria to weed out who they think are the real dopers and who aren’t, in order to protect their favorites, while sullying the reputations of their competition.
When repeatedly called out on there behavior, they claim ‘free speech’.
They have no interest in actually trying to ‘clean up’ the sport. (They have resolved that’s already a lost cause.) No, they instead pick-and-choose their targets of slander, for their own greedy and selfish reasons.
Yeah exactly. All my posts comparing Touhy's musculature with Shelby's were deleted, but apparently it's fine to say disparaging things about Valby's body? Strange.
It’s beyond strange. It’s a concerted hatchet job.
They champion the idea that doping is widespread at the top levels of sport. But they will then use their selective criteria to weed out who they think are the real dopers and who aren’t, in order to protect their favorites, while sullying the reputations of their competition.
When repeatedly called out on there behavior, they claim ‘free speech’.
Exactly! She was really talented runner since high school so everything makes sense!
We always have to put up with this nonsense whenever some girl does some vague performance that's difficult to compare to others
We went through all this nonsense with countless other young phenoms
Not about doping but about them being off the charts and so much better than everyone else
Anyway the obvious simple answer is that she's just a talented young runner and it's almost definitely not doing drugs because it's such a crazy risk to reward for such a young person
It's just completely insane and is willing to kill herself for some college Glory or she's just a good runner who is running well
Anyway I bet she doesn't win another cross country race this season by any significant margin and this looks like the ramblings of maniacs which it is!
Valby is not going to be blowing away the top runners! Maybe she's the best maybe she's still a close second but there's nothing crazy about this performance!
No, I’ve gone back an looked a bit more into her running history. IMO, she’s the next one, a true talent.
If she can keep sound mental health, protected from the likes of the jackals trying to tear her down, expect to see great things.
That is how she runs. Always from the front. Valby runs on the assumption that she will outstrength her opponents. It has always been a curious tell. She seemed genuinely surprised that Tuohy blew by her in the 5000m final. The good thing for Tuohy is that if Valby is in the race everything is simplified. No tactics. Just a strength test. Tuohy just needs to key off Valby. Draft off of her and pass her again.
IMO, this is a slanted and ignorant take. Coming off mostly massive cardio training with a little running workouts going into that race, Valby had reasons to doubt her own fitness. But her coach told her to just “stay with touhy”.
And that’s what Valby did, but she tactically ran a terrible race, the likes of someone still relatively green. She ran a large part of the race in the outside of Lane 1 and in Lane 2. She ended up running a much longer race distance than touhy did.
That is how she runs. Always from the front. Valby runs on the assumption that she will outstrength her opponents. It has always been a curious tell. She seemed genuinely surprised that Tuohy blew by her in the 5000m final. The good thing for Tuohy is that if Valby is in the race everything is simplified. No tactics. Just a strength test. Tuohy just needs to key off Valby. Draft off of her and pass her again.
IMO, this is a slanted and ignorant take. Coming off mostly massive cardio training with a little running workouts going into that race, Valby had reasons to doubt her own fitness. But her coach told her to just “stay with touhy”.
And that’s what Valby did, but she tactically ran a terrible race, the likes of someone still relatively green. She ran a large part of the race in the outside of Lane 1 and in Lane 2. She ended up running a much longer race distance than touhy did.
But she said in an interview that she had trouble getting tripped-up (I think she said she went down one time) and boxed-in in her previous races, and consequently didn’t want to run in the pack. (She probably had re-injury concern in the back of her mind, too.)
She needs more track race savvy, that will come with experience. She’ll need to learn when to be patient, and she’ll need to also work on raw speed to pull-off mo Farrah race tactics. She’s demonstrated she has endurance.
That is how she runs. Always from the front. Valby runs on the assumption that she will outstrength her opponents. It has always been a curious tell. She seemed genuinely surprised that Tuohy blew by her in the 5000m final. The good thing for Tuohy is that if Valby is in the race everything is simplified. No tactics. Just a strength test. Tuohy just needs to key off Valby. Draft off of her and pass her again.
IMO, this is a slanted and ignorant take. Coming off mostly massive cardio training with a little running workouts going into that race, Valby had reasons to doubt her own fitness. But her coach told her to just “stay with touhy”.
And that’s what Valby did, but she tactically ran a terrible race, the likes of someone still relatively green. She ran a large part of the race in the outside of Lane 1 and in Lane 2. She ended up running a much longer race distance than touhy did.
She did the same thing at regionals. If it was such a bad tactic, why did she repeat it? She easily could have run off Touhy's shoulder, but she made the choice to match her stride for stride. The difference is she couldn't hang with Tuohy the last few laps at regionals, so in the finals she tried a different strategy with an early kick. The look on Valby's face was priceless when Tuohy passed her with a smile.
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