Just read the article and I'm not sifting through all this to see if anyone has brought up the question why cheat with a sub 3? I mean he was 3:20ish, why go to all that effort?
Can't help but think it's some kind of an outlet due to his son's illness. should have stuck with tennis.
The Animal Within wrote:
Just read the article and I'm not sifting through all this to see if anyone has brought up the question why cheat with a sub 3? I mean he was 3:20ish, why go to all that effort?
Can't help but think it's some kind of an outlet due to his son's illness. should have stuck with tennis.
From the info Singer gathered from his interviews, I'm pretty sure he found that Kip's fastest LEGITIMATE marathon was probably around a 3:20. People in his area know he doesn't race 17-18mins for 5k, a time that most sub 3hr marathoners can probably either meet or at least come very close to. When Kip started pulling off a 2:49 marathon at 3000ft altitude in Missoula MOntana (where he was disqualified) or on 6ft wide trails in the middle of South Dakota, it certainly caught people's attention.
Another very suspicious (and ridiculous) performance is kips 250s marathon in New mexico marathon in Albuquerque new Mexico, at 5000-6000ft altitude. Now I understand the race has some downhill sections I think, but wow he is really good at altitude acclimatization
Sorry, my response was to Trollist, not you.
please don't respond to these bozos, that's what they want
Pass the butter wrote:
1700+ at Boston
That may be a bit of an exaggeration, not least because there are very few places to cut the course.
It's not cutting the course, it's getting to different points on the course without actually running. Think bike:)
Peter Larson of Runblogger confirms that he couldn't' find any photos of Kip at the 2009 Manchester Marathon. He had student photographers taking videos of runners at the 6 and 20 mile points on the course for a foot strike study and Kip was one runner he was never able to find on his videotapes: http://www.runblogger.com/2012/09/my-unexpected-connection-to-kip-litton.html
truther33 wrote:
Seriously? Because saying you have broken 3 hours is much more impressive than a 3:20.
Trollist is just an A$$, period, who wouldn't pass the first semester of law school or detective school even if they had given him the answers before hand.
Baseless? Sure, ask his teammates from the relay just how baseless it was. Or finishing ahead of someone who you never passed, and then disappearing from the awards ceremony on purpose. No honest person does that over and over and over. Check out his dry shirt nearing the end of the 10k in Northville. Yeah right. Everyone is drenched and he's dry as the desert air. He took no wrong turn...he cheated. I have never taken a wrong turn and I've ran many of the races that he did. No one takes a wrong turn in the Crim, no one! It's called cheating.
The trolls on this thread are so dumb that I truly feel sorry for them. What sad lives they must live to think that anyone will believe them.
Typical response from one of the Dr. Litton slanderers. You drag a man down for years, but once you're questioned you resort to name-calling. I understand why New Yorker Magazine would take you seriously; their journalistic standards are comparable with the National Enquirer's. What I don't understand is why you would expect others to take you seriously when all you have are innuendo and insults.
TDF wrote:
Peter Larson of Runblogger confirms that he couldn't' find any photos of Kip at the 2009 Manchester Marathon. He had student photographers taking videos of runners at the 6 and 20 mile points on the course for a foot strike study and Kip was one runner he was never able to find on his videotapes:
http://www.runblogger.com/2012/09/my-unexpected-connection-to-kip-litton.html
Interesting
Thanks for this new info!
Too much trolling to keep track of this thread.
Serious question.
What chip system is commonly used for Kip's races? Could the chip be coutnerfeited?
Say I can counterfeit chips, and make them really small. All I'd have to do is find a runner of my preferred tempo, and stick it to their shirt or something. Then, run and hang on for dear life. Try to only be on the course in proximity of your runtime donor. Running that pace in a jacket, really? Underneath obviously is a whole different outfit.
The other idea is a doppelganger. Would make the slightly mismatching outfits more believable. With a counterfeit chip, dopperganger doesn't even need to hand over the chip. Just don't both pass a timing gate.
too much time thinking wrote:
It's not cutting the course, it's getting to different points on the course without actually running. Think bike:)
NY Times states that around 400 are DQed between Boston, NYC and Marine Corps. I think that must be a significant underestimate.
Come on, 5000 posts!
Randy Oldman wrote:
too much time thinking wrote:It's not cutting the course, it's getting to different points on the course without actually running. Think bike:)
NY Times states that around 400 are DQed between Boston, NYC and Marine Corps. I think that must be a significant underestimate.
I didn't know it was that high? Do you have a link?
Typical Troll. Facts are staring you right in the face and you call it innuendoes. Nice try Kip.
Trollist wrote:
Yet another nail in my coffin as I've tried to convince myself that he's innocent. Eventually even I have to man up and admit that it's too overwhelming. Carry on as I will go to another thread and try to aggravate some thin skin posters on it...that's my job people:)
You need to work on your message board endurance. 80% effort for 20 minutes of posting each week should shore that up.
Your entire post is true but take it from a pro, don't try to convince people who are "not all there upstairs" or just trolls who get off on saying just the opposite with no evidence to support their claims.
I am from Michigan and have run the Crim many times from 55 minutes to breaking 68 as I ran with a friend to help them get under 70. No one "accidentally" takes a wrong turn on that course with that field and the number of volunteers on the corner, impossible is the only word that truly defines it.
As Scotth said early on and many of us concurred, the guy cheated. Ignore the trolls as they are either him or people with no lives. Cheers!
Oscar
SOKLR, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was connected with this site. If no one responses to him, he will get tired and eventually stop as he makes NO points to discount the over-whelming evidence that he cheated.
As someone said, he ran a race in Michigan where he is seen way in the back at the start and somehow gets way up front with not one person seeing him blow by them during the entire race and it is late in the race when he shows up with a grey shirt (with not one ounce of sweat showing). I believe he was dq'ed by the race director, but of course put up no fight to justify his finishing time and place. You don't get lost on that course as I know 2 people who ran it. Starting from the back you would be passing people the whole way to finish where he did, but again, not once person ever saw him go by. Trollist? Buehler? Trollist? Buehler?
His outfit in the beginning is something entirely different for a hot summer race yet Trollist could not explain these actions in a 10k summer race, again that not one person saw him pass by, not one. And his response is that it's all innuendos. I think he's working for the site or he missed his meds.
Has anyone thought about following him with a camera?
Honestly Randy, had I known about him I would have foregone a race or two and would have followed him way back with my HD camcorder that zooms in 100 plus yards away. Had I known who he was and he hadn't been outed yet, I could have easily recorded him lvg the course in Northville or the Crim and he never would have seen me (I can ride a bike too). Now, it appears to be too late as it was with Miranda and Ruiz, they suddenly stopped running which was no big surprise. I could have gotten him in Traverse City, but again I had no clue about the guy.
The Dr. Litton slanderers have no response for my arguments so they impersonate me in order to insult me. I wish I could say I am surprised by such a level of immaturity.