RE: Cheating at Marathons

Ok. This is has got to be the final straw. When cheating Frequent Marathoners (FM) try to do claim they are doing ultras and qualify for Badwater using their own races, these are the type of bs strings of events they think they can post and get away with. Ultra runners know better. Even All the honest FMs know better. No ultra runner.... Let me repeat, no ultra runner in the world runs 2 marathons the day BEFORE 100 miler...and then claims to throw down a 23 hr 100 miler (which is flat out crazy for PM) then pounds out a marathon the very next day. Folks, this is enough. So in 3 days: 3 marathons plus a 23 hour 100 miler.

Anyone doubt Thomas saw PM get in a van and drive down the BW course now?

5/3/13AM marathon 5:00:00 (great perfect even time)

5/3/13PM marathon 5:45:00 (great perfect even time)

5/4/13 100 MILER 23:00 (great perfect even time)

5/5/13 marathon 7:00:00 (great perfect even time)

This needs to be investigated ASAP. There is nothing more to say. Runners know. We are runners. We don't like cheaters. Bat Crazyland has reached it's limit.

it is amazing if someone can do this injury free

I barely know anything about it. I stumbled on this thread today which can easily be verified.

I run marathons, not Ultras, and it surely seems like total BS to me.

Is this a Kip Litton thing where now people are going to follow her and suddenly, she doesn't run anymore due to an accident or injury? I kinda think that's what's going to happen. Seriously, how can that be possible, those times in those days in those distances?

How can someone claim things like this and believe that other runners will actually believe it? This blows me away and I can't believe the GB of Records hasn't investigated it. I mean WOW!

I don't know who Thomas is, but I surely don't doubt it if he gave his real name and truly exists, why would he put it all out there?

PM has cheated

Facts are indisputable

She should come clean now

Haiku wrote:

PM has cheated

Facts are indisputable

She should come clean now

Friend, I'm agreeing. No dispute from me. Just shocked that she's apparently gotten away with it this long.

Jean Piaget wrote:

Haiku wrote:

PM has cheated

Facts are indisputable

She should come clean now

Friend, I'm agreeing. No dispute from me. Just shocked that she's apparently gotten away with it this long.

I think she got away with it for a relatively long time because there are so very, very few people that care about what she does.

She will be more famous due to her cheating than for whatever accomplishment thatshe was attempting to do (a high number of "marathons" run in a year or something?)

Jean Piaget wrote:

...how sad to want the approval of others so badly.

You forgot to mention the $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I did a little digging and here's what I've found:

-Thomas and Darren ARE, in fact, the real Thomas and Darren. The only conclusion, based on their testimony is that she cheated at Badwater. There is really no chance that she passed them without them noticing. None. At all. Either these guys decided they hate her and want to ruin her life for no reason at all or she cheated. You can decide what the likely answer is.

-There are also allegations of her cheating at Rocky Raccoon, Cactus Rose, and Wild Hare trail runs from people that have no reason to call her out (I don't want to put peoples' names out here, but they are from people that ran the races with her). The portion where she miraculously cut a huge amount of a time at Rocky 100 was a loop from an aid station back to that same station. I've run that race and my opinion is that it would be extremely easy to cheat here. If someone suddenly had miracle splits and passed others without them noticing, the only sane conclusion would be that she cheated.

-I'm becoming highly suspicious of most of her 100 mile finishes. If her marathons are as slow as they are, I just don't buy her finishing 100 miles in 24 hours. Her 50k time at Rocky Raccoon in November '12 was slower, per mile, than her 100 mile time on the same course just a couple months later in Feb '13. Unless that 50k was the worst race of her life and the 100 was her best, I'm just not buying it as likely.

Final straw wrote:

Ok. This is has got to be the final straw.

No, there's a lot more to come yet.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ wrote:

Jean Piaget wrote:

...how sad to want the approval of others so badly.

You forgot to mention the $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

No, I didn't forget. I have no knowledge of the money part of it as I'm new to this thread. I'm from Michigan and I don't like what Litton obviously did, so this has raised my dander just a tad.

I don't like cheats and liars, in anything. If she really did cheat, she should receive the same amount of publicity for it as she did before being outed, if not more. Sorry, the YouTube video was the icing on the cake for me.

Taking praise for something she allegedly didn't do. Not cool!

Now you say that there was money involved. That means someone apparently got screwed financially if this shows wrong doing on her part. Wow!!!

You omitted the $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Jean Piaget wrote:

I have no knowledge of the money part of it as I'm new to this thread.

If you've got three or four hours to spare you can read the whole thread (and links) to bring yourself up to speed, then you'll be as smart and clever as the rest of us.

Everyone's picking on poor Parvaneh and forgetting about the other cheater. The multi world record holder Larry has race results from 2 Charlie Alewine races this past weekend - 1 on Sat and 1 on Sun plus race results from The ET Marathon at midnight Sat night and he flew back to San Antonio from Las Vegas on Sun afternoon after the ET race. Tricky being at so many places at once. I don't believe that Parvaneh just "put" his name in her races. I'm guessing plenty of $$$ changed hands because he needed all those San Antonio Iran races to cheat his way into a world record ...or 2...Or maybe all of them. The shame of it all is who knows if he ever even shows up or just pays people off at some of the "home town" and "buddy" races. Can anything be done to stop people like Larry Macon from buying his cheating results?

Everyone's picking on poor Parvaneh and forgetting about the other cheater. The multi world record holder Larry has race results from 2 Charlie Alewine races this past weekend - 1 on Sat and 1 on Sun plus race results from The ET Marathon at midnight Sat night and he flew back to San Antonio from Las Vegas on Sun afternoon after the ET race. Tricky being at so many places at once. I don't believe that Parvaneh just "put" his name in her races. I'm guessing plenty of $$$ changed hands because he needed all those San Antonio Iran races to cheat his way into a world record ...or 2...Or maybe all of them. The shame of it all is who knows if he ever even shows up or just pays people off at some of the "home town" and "buddy" races. Can anything be done to stop people like Larry Macon from buying his cheating results?

Parvanah can't come clean because Her cheating is intertwined with Larry Macon's cheating - everyone knows Parvanah doesn't do anything for free so how much would you guess Larry paid her to put on all those marathons where he could beat that Australia guy who actually deserved the Worod Record? No one complains about Larry because he's friendly et all - Come to think of it, he's got one big rep as non stop cheating on his wife f- a real multiplex cheater for years and years. Do women go for that kind of cheater? Or is it all about money? I heard he's funded quite a few. Well -maybe judging Parvaneh too harshly because she probably learned a thing or too from one cagey record "holder"

come on ya'll - we know the drill. We can't have two characters in one thread, it will get more confusing than it already is! Lets keep this thread on Parvanah since some folks have already done some great work on her splits and specific examples of her super-questionable/impossible times.

If someone wants to put Larry's splits and his questionable facts in a different thread and look at him, that's cool - lets just keep them separate for ease of reading long threads!

I'm a hobby jogger ultra runner - my farthest was 41.2 which is nothing in ultra-land, but I trained my @$$ off to get to that distance. I have friends who have put a full year into focusing on a strong 100 finish, and I've paced some of them through 'em. I know it's not the distance for everyone - but if we're going to go after a back of the pack marathoner/ultra runner... I'm a lot more upset personally at the cheating ultra runner. I know there are ton of folks who hitch rides from mile 20 at RnR races... it irritates me but I try to tell myself I have bigger fish to fry.

Well, cheating at RR or Badwater is a big fish in my book. Thats just scummy. I have friends who have DNFd both of those and trained hard to finish the following year... cheating on a 100 is just a surreal level of mental instability.

I was more rolling my eyes at her needing a life when this was focused on cheating to get some weird world record - but cheating at a 100 miler.... now I want to investigate all of it!

Let's have some perspective here.

You guys are talking about the slowest of the slow. This woman and these two guys are the ultimate back of the packers. The slowest ultra-walkers.

7-8 hour marathons? Really? That a real accomplishment. lol

What? These guys are upset that this woman walked a running race faster than they walked it? Well, Boo-Hoo. Train a little harder guys and maybe you'll finish 5th to last instead of DFL.

It's "Let's Run," not "Let's Walk." Let it die.

Quacker Tom wrote:

Parvanah everyone knows Parvanah doesn't do anything for free

You do not know her. She helps many people. I tried to leave this discussion, but it has deteriorated beyond anything I could have imagined. You could not come up with REAL proof regarding Badwater. The RD will NOT DQ Parvanah, so now you try to drag up past races. Parvanah is a second half runner, she is a smart runner, she has never cheated. The RD's from these other races will NOT DQ her. Keep bad mouthing her all you want, there is nothing you can do that will diminish her past accomplishments, or deter her from future endeavors.

This is my last post.

You Wonderwoman I Mere Mortal wrote:

Wonderwoman indeed:

https://www.athlinks.com/athletes/44447537/Profile

Anyone know anything about the Fort Worth Marathon? After watching the clip of her running I have a hard time believing she could run a 3:39. Can't find any splits for the 2009 race but it looks like the course is out and back so maybe not too hard to cheat?

Although she does have a number of other marathons that year in the 3:40 - 4:00 range (including a 3:58 at Boston), so the 3:39 isn't actually a huge outlier.