You didn't answer the question. Why is it relevant to compare the PR of one runner who's run for time and one who hasn't, but it's not relevant to compare the PR between two runners who both haven't run for times?
I'm not interested in the question.
Yes, because answering it would expose you as a massive retard.
To use Ingebrigtsens "mediocre" 12.48 as proof that he is not close to beating the WR at 5000, is just laughable. He has never tried a serious time trial with rabbits at that distance. He does not like the pain he has to endure for that long, so he rarely runs if its not in a championship. If/when he does an actual serious attack at the WR, he will no doubt go under 12.40. Remember he ran 58.3 each round when he smashed the 3000m WR. So with a slow start, he could run first five rounds at 62`, next five 60`, next two 59`and last 200 m 26`. This will give him 12.36. If he can pull that of? Of course he can.
3000 and 5000 is long distance. He's set the best world record outside of the marathon in middle distance and up in the 3000, a long distance event, and he's never lost a 5000m final since he started competing as a senior. Being a better long distance runner than middle distance runner makes him a long distance runner.
We disagree about what constitutes a distance runner; he isn't - even if he runs a HM. I also don't agree that he is better at the longer distances. His "pocket" is 2k-2mile.
Your definition is useless if setting one of the greatest world records ever on the track and never losing a final in long distance doesn't make you a long distance runner.
We disagree about what constitutes a distance runner; he isn't - even if he runs a HM. I also don't agree that he is better at the longer distances. His "pocket" is 2k-2mile.
Your definition is useless if setting one of the greatest world records ever on the track and never losing a final in long distance doesn't make you a long distance runner.
Long-distance are runners like Bekele, Cheptegei, Geb, Farah and Kipchoge. He isn't one of them and never will be. He is closer to El G (and Keino), who, too, was a 1500/5k runner.
To use Ingebrigtsens "mediocre" 12.48 as proof that he is not close to beating the WR at 5000, is just laughable. He has never tried a serious time trial with rabbits at that distance. He does not like the pain he has to endure for that long, so he rarely runs if its not in a championship. If/when he does an actual serious attack at the WR, he will no doubt go under 12.40. Remember he ran 58.3 each round when he smashed the 3000m WR. So with a slow start, he could run first five rounds at 62`, next five 60`, next two 59`and last 200 m 26`. This will give him 12.36. If he can pull that of? Of course he can.
The 3k is not a measure of what he could run the 5k. It is only a little over half the distance. The argument here is that Ingebrigtsen is capable of what only 5k/10k runners have achieved. He isn't such a runner and never will be.
lol to be completely serious I think Armstronglivs needs to start therapy, continuously trying to reply to everyone and upvote himself for each post... its kind of sad and pathetic tbh
To use Ingebrigtsens "mediocre" 12.48 as proof that he is not close to beating the WR at 5000, is just laughable. He has never tried a serious time trial with rabbits at that distance. He does not like the pain he has to endure for that long, so he rarely runs if its not in a championship. If/when he does an actual serious attack at the WR, he will no doubt go under 12.40. Remember he ran 58.3 each round when he smashed the 3000m WR. So with a slow start, he could run first five rounds at 62`, next five 60`, next two 59`and last 200 m 26`. This will give him 12.36. If he can pull that of? Of course he can.
Like every other elite runner, pain is his friend.
Your definition is useless if setting one of the greatest world records ever on the track and never losing a final in long distance doesn't make you a long distance runner.
Long-distance are runners like Bekele, Cheptegei, Geb, Farah and Kipchoge. He isn't one of them and never will be. He is closer to El G (and Keino), who, too, was a 1500/5k runner.
You've been asked a simple question many times before previously that you can't answer, does the 5000 become a sprint if Noah Lyles runs it?
Most commenters here don't get just how much Ingebrigtsen needs to improve to break the 5k wr. If he were to improve just 6-7 secs, to 12:41, that would be like him lopping 2secs off his best 1500 time. To improve 14 secs (to beat the wr) that would be like reducing his best 1500 time by 4-5 secs. So what are the chances of a 3:30-31 runner beating 3:26?
To use Ingebrigtsens "mediocre" 12.48 as proof that he is not close to beating the WR at 5000, is just laughable. He has never tried a serious time trial with rabbits at that distance. He does not like the pain he has to endure for that long, so he rarely runs if its not in a championship. If/when he does an actual serious attack at the WR, he will no doubt go under 12.40. Remember he ran 58.3 each round when he smashed the 3000m WR. So with a slow start, he could run first five rounds at 62`, next five 60`, next two 59`and last 200 m 26`. This will give him 12.36. If he can pull that of? Of course he can.
The 3k is not a measure of what he could run the 5k. It is only a little over half the distance. The argument here is that Ingebrigtsen is capable of what only 5k/10k runners have achieved. He isn't such a runner and never will be.
His 3000m WR is very much an indication of what he can do for 5000m. It shows that can maintain WR ability moving up from the 1500m to the 3000m, and he actually got a little better. He doesn’t need to be a 5/10 runner to get the record.
Long-distance are runners like Bekele, Cheptegei, Geb, Farah and Kipchoge. He isn't one of them and never will be. He is closer to El G (and Keino), who, too, was a 1500/5k runner.
You've been asked a simple question many times before previously that you can't answer, does the 5000 become a sprint if Noah Lyles runs it?
Did El G become a long distance runner because he won the 5k? Does Ingebrigtsen become a Bekele, Cheptegei, Farah or Geb because he runs it?
To use Ingebrigtsens "mediocre" 12.48 as proof that he is not close to beating the WR at 5000, is just laughable. He has never tried a serious time trial with rabbits at that distance. He does not like the pain he has to endure for that long, so he rarely runs if its not in a championship. If/when he does an actual serious attack at the WR, he will no doubt go under 12.40. Remember he ran 58.3 each round when he smashed the 3000m WR. So with a slow start, he could run first five rounds at 62`, next five 60`, next two 59`and last 200 m 26`. This will give him 12.36. If he can pull that of? Of course he can.
Like every other elite runner, pain is his friend.
The 3k is not a measure of what he could run the 5k. It is only a little over half the distance. The argument here is that Ingebrigtsen is capable of what only 5k/10k runners have achieved. He isn't such a runner and never will be.
His 3000m WR is very much an indication of what he can do for 5000m. It shows that can maintain WR ability moving up from the 1500m to the 3000m, and he actually got a little better. He doesn’t need to be a 5/10 runner to get the record.
His performances and times have shown that he peaks at shorter distances - 2k/2miles. You and others here are assuming that he has the same ability at longer distances. I am arguing he doesn't. He's a md guy.
Most commenters here don't get just how much Ingebrigtsen needs to improve to break the 5k wr. If he were to improve just 6-7 secs, to 12:41, that would be like him lopping 2secs off his best 1500 time. To improve 14 secs (to beat the wr) that would be like reducing his best 1500 time by 4-5 secs. So what are the chances of a 3:30-31 runner beating 3:26?
You’re a broken record. You’re treating his 12:48 as if it will end up being his career PR. Just about every other LR believes his current 5000m PR is soft and he should have no problem running at least 12:40. You, on there other, believes he needs to get down to 3:22 to have a shot.
Most commenters here don't get just how much Ingebrigtsen needs to improve to break the 5k wr. If he were to improve just 6-7 secs, to 12:41, that would be like him lopping 2secs off his best 1500 time. To improve 14 secs (to beat the wr) that would be like reducing his best 1500 time by 4-5 secs. So what are the chances of a 3:30-31 runner beating 3:26?
You’re a broken record. You’re treating his 12:48 as if it will end up being his career PR. Just about every other LR believes his current 5000m PR is soft and he should have no problem running at least 12:40. You, on there other, believes he needs to get down to 3:22 to have a shot.
I'm not saying that. You haven't understood my post. I don't say 12:48 is his limit - I never have. But it is a long way from beating 12:35. He may get to the low 12:40's but that won't be easy. But to beat 12:35 would be as if he is a 3:30 1500 runner who beats 3:26. So what are the odds of that?
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The 3k is not a measure of what he could run the 5k. It is only a little over half the distance. The argument here is that Ingebrigtsen is capable of what only 5k/10k runners have achieved. He isn't such a runner and never will be.
His 3000m WR is very much an indication of what he can do for 5000m. It shows that can maintain WR ability moving up from the 1500m to the 3000m, and he actually got a little better. He doesn’t need to be a 5/10 runner to get the record.
12:48.45 is to 12:35.36 like
3:29.57 is to 3:26.00.
So you are wrong, like always when you present some numbers (and not only then...).
But for sure his 5000m PB doesnt represent his fitness level over the distance.
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