7:17.55! Jakob Ingebrigtsen DESTROYS 3000m WR

rekrunner wrote:

Khamis wrote:

Objectively why would I be suspecting Hockerdope and Fisherdope of doping and not Jakob and El G????

Are you daft or what Mr PD??? This is a subjective domain requiring subjective analysis of data however oxymoronic you find it to be. It's not nonsense, you just don't have the wherewithal to handle 'oxymoronic' information!!!!!

I will tell you how so subjectively easily I deem Hockerdope and Fisherdope to be strong dopers!!!!!

First of all, it only takes 1 space-time to completely collapse the bubble of 'clean' in Hocker and Fisher. Only 1, mind you!!!!!!! This is not a jury or judge's panel where I need a 4-3 scoring decision like in boxing or MMA. This is a 1 strike and out kinda format you feeling me. Catching doping requires a 1 strike and you are out format alright?????

Hocker's 1 space-time strikeout came at US olympic trials when he overhaul a 3 second deficit to Nuguse at Prefontaine mile to go in front of him and beat him, including the manner in which he desecrated the latter!!!!! Never seen in 3 years, last seen such manner was in 2021 and never again!!!!!!!! If it doesn't come again in 2022, 2023 after at least 2 dozen races in between, it also doesn't come all of a sudden in mid 2024 at some US olympic trials. I use my discretion and experience here just as Australian swimming coach Hawke used his discretion to call out Pan Zhanle for doing drugs to swim a shocking 100m freestyle WR in 46.4. Discretion is subjective but can be superior to objective data. What does objective data of Pan Zhanle doping even mean??? That's truly oxymoronic!!!!!!!!

For Fisherdope, this one was real obvious and comical. Dude was wild af taking a flight back up to 1600m Utah and messed up his physiology, thicken his blood and all and enter into pressurized plane cabins filled with COVID viruses and flu bacteria and came back down to 0m after 5 days????????? And he was stupid enough to tell the media he did that?????? And even stupid enough to say he was trying to 'get some rest or sleep' by doing such dumb af things?????? Well turns out this guy isn't dumb, far from it, he is actually smarter than AIU and WADA, get the drift Mr PD?????? He is doping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude can win an Oscar for best doping playacting!!!!! Topped with blockbuster plane rides!!!!!!

"Every 16 year old knows body can repair damaged cells........"

Come on Mr PD, of course they know that as head knowledge, or otherwise very superficially alright?????? They wouldn't know it the way David Carpenter, Paul Hersch or Martin Pall would right Mr PD???????? Otherwise what's the difference between a 16 year old and these real RF experts??????

So no objective data. Just your personal subjective analysis based on one sprint finish and another 5-day plane trip to altitude.

I think that analysis speaks for itself.

rekrunner wrote:

Khamis wrote:

On the contrary you revealed yourself to be a liar as during a debate with Coevett and Armstrong discussing the russian or kenyan dopers in some other thread previously you explicitly mentioned "there is no objective data to support that the athletes are doping, nor are their improvements due to doping, which can only naturally imply that doping isn't as widespread as you think'.

And now you suddenly move the goalpost to say 'I think many athletes are doping'????? LOL, who are you trying to deceive here Mr PD King?????? I have photographic memory alright!!!

Do you see how intentionally disingenuous your statements are????? As an educated man like you secretly camouflaging contradictory statements of differing propensity in differing threads hoping people like me, Coevett and Armstrong cannot track down your statements in differing threads because we don't have enough photographic memory combined?????

Please just get off LRC forever and go work for Lance Armstrong alright!!!!! Cheats and immoral perverts are not welcomed on this board, let this be a strong warning to all LRC folks and athletes!!!!!! I'm serious about it!!!!!!!

Next, how do you expect objective data to stream in like I imagine live video pornography for an art so secretive and covet as doping?????????

And my next question then would be, how do you then repudiate me, Coevett and Armstrong of any wrongdoing if you know that doping and dopers being secretive and covet would naturally minimize or indeed shut up completely any objective data as far as possible?

It's a Catch-22 situation. How do you impute falsehood in me, Coevett and Armstrong when you need the 3 of us to be true for you to be proven true???? You need us more than we need your objective fallacy you feeling me Mr PD King?????

"Subjective is in the mind of the beholder. Athletes need guidelines that are objectively predictable, and not subject to the whims of whatever tribunal is judging them, after the fact."

Yeah right? So human being has a mind right???? Subjectivity rules isn't it you fool???? Even the creation of 'objective rules and laws' also stemmed from the said subjective minds hence subjective all the same isn't it???? You can't seem to reason like I do, I'm not sure why, either you are too daft or I am???? Which is which now Mr PD????

If the weather cannot be objectively predictable to a 100% accuracy, then it works the same for all other human activities in the biosphere you feeling me???? It will go the same for those you thought 'objectively predictable with objective data' which means these can be subjected to ever growing confoundment even at the last minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yes I'm actually being very serious that subjectivity is actually an upgrade from objectivity!!!!! The moment you take a leap of faith is usually when you knock on the door of success or any truth in life!!!!!!!! Are you COVID vaccinated??? If you are, oh yes you do in fact need to take a leap of faith to risk death with taking the covid vaccines alright!!!!! Because there is zero legitimately passed and certifiable objective data that covid vaccines are safe or not harmful!!!!!!!! Our founder Robert took the vaccine so he too needed to use a leap of faith in Joe Biden's administration to do so alright!!!!!!! So don't demean 'subjectivity' or 'leap of faith' like it's some cyanide poison!!!!!!!!! I also really hate to be bursting your PD bubble and you should officially stop pretending to ask me for RF related info about elite performance when you lack wherewithal to make sense of it anyway!!!

"Too affected' means affectedness, you feeling me Mr PD???? It means you are too feigning, too pretentious like a Pharisee!!!!!

If you believe I revealed myself to be a liar in another thread, then you must have misunderstood something from that other thread. The camera for your photographic memory seems to be prone to taking inverted negative images.

I have consistently agreed that doping is prevalent and widespread and deep and goes to the top, because, in my opinion, the belief in the power of doping is widespread and deep and goes to the top. This is not a quantitative statement as no reliable quantitative estimate exists for the population of distance runners I am interested in. I may say "many" but that is likely not "as many as" you might say. If you "naturally imply that doping isn't as widespread as you think", I can neither agree nor disagree with the implication of "as widespread as", lacking any real data to reliably quantify the extent of the prevalence among the fastest distance athletes.

I don't expect objective data to stream in when things are secret and covert, but rather that you understand without taking personal offense when your many claims lack any objective basis, and for that reason may often be wrong. This does not mean that I repudiate you or that I impute falsehoods, but rather that it is more baseless speculation which may or may not be true, as opposed to an established truth.

I have no interest in your subjective opinions or analysis because "a subjective point of view is biased because it is either not the complete picture or it is merely a viewpoint or expression of feelings".