Why is this thread not moderated? Literally a minute ago a Noah Droddy doping thread got deleted. Similar storyline—actually it was started 5yrs ago when he went from 68 to 61 HM. I don’t think he or valby are doping. But c’mon, let’s see some consistent moderation.
Seeing someone who has GUSHED about Tuohy just immediately scream doper at any other college female that gets notoriety is amusingly pathetic. The mental gymnastics is impressive.
Current athlete here to let you guys most speculating here have NO idea how the testing system works.
elite NCAA athletes are often added to the RTP (registered testing pool), extremely common so if world class they are subject to whereabouts filings and USADA/WADA random tests (blood,urine, all of it)
Winners and randoms at NCAA’s are tested. They tested 5 people in my event alone
Not to say theres not still cheating but it is very feasible for a NCAA athlete to get tested just as frequently as a professional AND maybe have an NCAA test on top of it. In 2021 I was tested by USADA 6 times out of comp, the NCAA twice in comp, and 1 test in comp by USADA.
USADA/WADA dont differentiate between pro and college just elite ( in the testing pool) and non-elite (only tested in comp)
Essentially what I am saying is testing doesn’t increase when someone goes pro (if they make a team thats one more in comp) the only difference is that more pros are in the RTP than college athletes. But I guarantee almost every athlete discussed on these forums is in the pool or will be added soon, I know many in the pool who aren’t even making NCAA finals/or close to making teams
Essentially what I am saying is testing doesn’t increase when someone goes pro (if they make a team thats one more in comp) the only difference is that more pros are in the RTP than college athletes. But I guarantee almost every athlete discussed on these forums is in the pool or will be added soon, I know many in the pool who aren’t even making NCAA finals/or close to making teams
Agreed. Parent of an athlete here. My daughter was barely on the travel team for a D1 school last track season and was randomly selected for testing…. Granted it’s been once in her college career so far but she’s also not elite… so far..
I ran in the big ten and they would randomly test everyone at least once a year.
if you ran at big ten champs in either xc, indoors or outdoors you were almost always tested that following Monday or Tuesday, regardless of performance.
I was never tested by the NCAA itself, but the big ten was plenty strict by itself.
Every Houlihan thread was full of apologists' spiel. You've clearly read none of them and indeed weren't even aware the threads existed. You have been living in a cave.
Have to agree, the Houlihan threads had at least one apologist: Rojo.
You left out rekrunner - of course - and the man with a thousand hats. There was quite a band of brothers.
Look on Valby’s instagram all the way back to 2016. She’s always been very skinny. Literally nothing to see here.
I disagree about the ‘always being skinny-skinny part. And I think it’s a very significant thing people are missing or misconstruing, by attributing it to drugs. Drugs aren’t necessary for most people to lose weight, if they want to. So if a very very good determined runner drops 30 pounds, the math says they can drop their time by 1min per mile. Valby was going thru the body weight transformation in high school. There’s video out there if you want to see what I’m talking about.
She isn't "skinny'; she is stripped of most body fat - like a bodybuilder. That isn't naturally achievable in a woman.
You’re convinced Valby is doping based on her progression (“I know it when I see it”), but can’t offer any commentary on a different athlete’s progression? For someone who purportedly cares so much about drug use, you seem to care a lot more when it involves an athlete potentially beating the 20 year old girl you’ve been obsessed with for years. If Valby had an equivalent progression but was slower (and not a threat to Tuohy), you wouldn’t be posting at all.
Pseudo “doping truthers” like you and Armstronglivs are so obnoxious. You guys talk down to all the naïve apologists because you have it all figured out, but ultimately who you think is doping isn’t really based on anything beyond your own assumptions. Are you aware that not every doper is going to have Katir-esque jumps in performance? I don’t understand how you can accept that doping is basically ubiquitous, but then still act like you personally have any clue who is dirty and who is clean, especially at the highest levels of the NCAA and the pro scene. I really hope Tuohy wins xc nationals just to see you twist yourself into a pretzel trying to justify how she could beat such an obvious doper.
This really isn’t about either of these athletes, though. Like you, I don’t know if either is doping, but unlike you, I don’t pretend to know, nor do I care. I’m just tired of the hypocrisy when it comes to who is allowed to be accused of doping on these forums, and the arrogance of people like you who speak so confidently when you know so little.
It took a little longer to express it, but that was mostly a bunch of "assumptions", with a hefty dose of indignation at views you don't share.
It is not 20 questions. If looking at a progression could easily tell you if someone was doping you would just answer yes or no to my question. Instead you spend a bunch of time writing a multi paragraph response dodging the question.
I’ll take this as a default judgment that you indeed can’t easily tell if someone is doping based on their progression.
It looks like you are good at making false inferences.
So basically you admit that the whole reason you think she’s doping is because of a non verified conversion to a 14:51 5k that she hasn’t even run yet. Great.
Proves how fallible your argument is. A 18:58 6k is 15:48 pace. You think she’s dropping a minute to a track with only a k less distance?
Also, you guys are failing to realize that the TAMU course is notoriously flat. Eric casters from tamu has run about 23:30 on that course the past two years. You wanna know his 5k and 10k track PRs? 13:54 and 29:54. Really not all that impressive in the grand scheme of things. Didn’t even get top 5 in the 5k or 10k at SEC outdoors last year.
you are looking way too far into one result and extrapolating from there which is completely unfair to any athlete.
No - the argument is not reducible to one point. You need to re-read some of the earlier posts.
Current athlete here to let you guys most speculating here have NO idea how the testing system works.
elite NCAA athletes are often added to the RTP (registered testing pool), extremely common so if world class they are subject to whereabouts filings and USADA/WADA random tests (blood,urine, all of it)
Winners and randoms at NCAA’s are tested. They tested 5 people in my event alone
Not to say theres not still cheating but it is very feasible for a NCAA athlete to get tested just as frequently as a professional AND maybe have an NCAA test on top of it. In 2021 I was tested by USADA 6 times out of comp, the NCAA twice in comp, and 1 test in comp by USADA.
USADA/WADA dont differentiate between pro and college just elite ( in the testing pool) and non-elite (only tested in comp)
If testing caught the cheats why does David Howman say "doping is ahead of antidoping", and we see from athlete surveys that up to 1 in 2 championship athletes may dope while only 1-2% of tests return a positive?
I ran in the big ten and they would randomly test everyone at least once a year.
if you ran at big ten champs in either xc, indoors or outdoors you were almost always tested that following Monday or Tuesday, regardless of performance.
I was never tested by the NCAA itself, but the big ten was plenty strict by itself.
Once a year? So what is the statistical probability of being caught - particularly if the drug is masked or used in micro-doses?
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