Australia and New Zealand go into COVID lockdown and reinstate restrictions

All US Military personnel should be withdrawn from Australia immediately.

Yeah, nothing to worry about here.

GeelongCats77 wrote:

We here in Australia are willing to sacrifice our freedom and liberty for the greater good of the community.

So yes, freedom of religion, freedom of association and freedom to gather should all be restricted for the foreseeable future until community transmission is 0 or next to 0. Also, those who have Covid and refuse to quarantine should absolutely be forcefully put into quarantine camps in order to stop Covid from spreading uncontrollably.

Also, and this may shock the softer Americans, but freedom of speech should be restricted for the foreseeable future. We can’t let anti-lockdown or anti-vaccine misinformation be spread and thus indirectly cause the virus to spread.

When dealing with a virus like Covid the state must legitimately be ready to use all weapons in its arsenal to stop the spread. We can roll back the state after Covid is completely eradicated.

You are proposing things that are very dangerous to democracy and freedom.

Maybe your freedom of speech should be restricted and you should be forcefully put into a camp until you stop spouting your dangerous ideas.

(a Rupert article yes, but non paywall so...)

We'll be open next month. That other poster is an idiot or a low iq troll. Zero transmission hasn't been spoken of in a while in Australia. We'll hit double vaxxed rates of ~80% in NSW next month at which point it opens up and for the most part you're dealing with what? The flu? Vaccinated people get it, maybe feel rubbish for a day or two, get over it, some compromised people die - that is life. Sick and old people find ways to die. We don't live forever. As a wise man once said, you can get killed walking your doggy.

2019 we had close to 500 flu deaths. Now we have zero and will probably have that many covid deaths. Do yourself a favour, live a healthy life!

You are correct when you say that the Australian government has backtracked on its 0 community transmission goal, I think this was a mistake.

We, like our ancestors, need to be willing to sacrifice for the greater good of Australia. The Mu covid variant is probably more dangerous than the current delta variant so its a very real possibility that we have to lockdown for a while longer.

Keep in mind that Australians sacrificed greatly during World War I to fight an enemy in far off lands for four years. Certainly we now can sacrifice for a few more months, or possibly years to fight an enemy that is right in our country,covid.

A previous poster talked about covid camps, restricting freedom of speech and the possible use of martial law to enforce lockdowns. This should only be used IF Australians are not willing to abide by covid safety policies. Obviously the covid camps will only be holding stations for individuals not abiding by quarantine procedures- as long as you stay home you will not have to go to a covid camp. Restricting freedom of religion, freedom of speech or freedom of assembly are also temporary measures for the greater good of the country and after we achieve 0 community transmission we can lift all those restrictions.

It's important that we do not surrender to covid like the Americans, or much of the world has.

ShoeHandMan wrote:

Restricting freedom of religion, freedom of speech or freedom of assembly are also temporary measures for the greater good of the country

It's shocking that there are people living in democracy who think like you. Shocking and dangerous.

439 wrote:

ShoeHandMan wrote:

Restricting freedom of religion, freedom of speech or freedom of assembly are also temporary measures for the greater good of the country

It's shocking that there are people living in democracy who think like you. Shocking and dangerous.

Yeah, God forbid we worry & care about our fellow countrymen here in Australia.

The reason we have almost five million covid related deaths worldwide is due to the west’s current fetish with “freedom”.

So despite the draconian conclusions you Americans may jump to these Covid camps will just be holding facilities to keep repeat antilock-down offenders until the virus subsides. As long as you follow the governments laws and don’t rabble rouse with anti-lockdown or anti-vaccine rhetoric you will be not be placed in said covid camps.

Egotistical Individualist wrote:

4wt wrote:

You are proposing things that are very dangerous to democracy and freedom.

Maybe your freedom of speech should be restricted and you should be forcefully put into a camp until you stop spouting your dangerous ideas.

The reason we have almost five million covid related deaths worldwide is due to the west’s current fetish with “freedom”.

So despite the draconian conclusions you Americans may jump to these Covid camps will just be holding facilities to keep repeat antilock-down offenders until the virus subsides. As long as you follow the governments laws and don’t rabble rouse with anti-lockdown or anti-vaccine rhetoric you will be not be placed in said covid camps.

The number of deaths that could be prevented by restricting freedoms is endless. Yet no one is jumping up and down to do them. Why does anyone drive vehicles in Australia? If you give up those freedoms, lives will be saved. Why are processed foods allowed? Think of all the lives saved if diet was restricted. Smoking? Sex? Gotta eliminate STDs. Australia and other countries not concerned with freedom should really start caring more about these lives.

You name off these examples like your proving a point.

Personal vehicles should be severely restricted in Australia as less vehicles on road will obviously save lives but less vehicles will also contribute to global warming. I am of the opinion that Australia should outlaw personal vehicles and invest greatly in its public transportation.

Processed foods should be banned in order to achieve the goal of a healthier community.

Smoking banned for same reason.

Sex, not banned because we need to repopulate the community, but we should make STD tests widely available free of charge and incentivize STD testing with monetary benefits.

I hope and pray that community centric individuals such as myself can use covid to leap frog into other policies to change the country for the better through pro-community policies. If Covid has showed us anything it’s that the individual NEEDS to be subservient to the nation or all hell breaths loose (see the rest of the world).

439 wrote:

ShoeHandMan wrote:

Restricting freedom of religion, freedom of speech or freedom of assembly are also temporary measures for the greater good of the country

It's shocking that there are people living in democracy who think like you. Shocking and dangerous.

Meanwhile, you’re blindly following our constitution like it’s the only way to operate in the world….it was written in 1787

The arbitrary tyranny continues

not on the list but wrote:

439 wrote:

It's shocking that there are people living in democracy who think like you. Shocking and dangerous.

Meanwhile, you’re blindly following our constitution like it’s the only way to operate in the world….it was written in 1787

This is exactly right.

The classically liberal way of thinking that was so prevalent during the enlightenment and the 18th century is no longer valid 200 years later.

We must rethink society in a communitarian way where the people behave in a way that best serves society. The government is the premier vehicle to shake people’s behavior and Australia must lead the way in doing just that.

COVID is a great example of the positive impact a full scale coordinated effort that includes the media, the government and police can have on a population. Australia and New Zealand are the envy of the covid world- an utopia.

I will give you credit; you are consistent.

not on the list but wrote:

439 wrote:

It's shocking that there are people living in democracy who think like you. Shocking and dangerous.

Meanwhile, you’re blindly following our constitution like it’s the only way to operate in the world….it was written in 1787

Not American. Not living in the US.

Carry on.

Egotistical Individualist wrote:

Australia and New Zealand are the envy of the covid world- an utopia.

I would go with Sweden, thank you very much.

439 wrote:

Egotistical Individualist wrote:

Australia and New Zealand are the envy of the covid world- an utopia.

I would go with Sweden, thank you very much.

That country dwarfs our Covid death and case count.

BUT Sweden is going in the right direction with their welfare state. They need to apply this to altering the actual behavior of their people though to create a more perfect society. How to go about this? By having the three most powerful pillars of society- government, media, and corporations- work in harmony. If these three pillars all send out the same message citizens themselves will also work in greater harmony as their point of reference is restricted to a singular set of views.

In the United States you have all these different views getting thrown at you and all these different governments contradicting each other- it confuses people and have thus made the Covid pandemic particularly terrible.

""the problem with Australians isn't that so many of them are descended from prisoners, but too many are descended from prison guards""

Turtleb wrote:

""the problem with Australians isn't that so many of them are descended from prisoners, but too many are descended from prison guards""

Yeah, at least our “prison guards” don’t have Covid.