Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread

ouch1000 wrote:

Another moron (or Kip himself). It's Litton who now has a lot of extra time on his hands now that he isn't cheating in races. As Jennifer Straughan, RD at Missoula, said in the article, "He flies all over the country, rents cars, plans in advance, has to figure out how many chip mats there are, how you deal with those. Think about how hard you have to work to notrun a race."

Indeed, our boy has time, plenty of it.

Today's my last day on this thread. Will share an exchange or two I had w/Kip.

On Aug 3, 2011 from me: 'And for the question vexing me since I first heard your name - why do you cheat? Why have you gone to so much time, trouble & expense to cheat - and in the process cheat yourself & the sport? I'm at a loss to know what's gained through cheating once, but multiple times when you've been caught and called on it is an enigma, a conundrum.'

Kip's response later that day: 'In the future looking back, I'm sure it will become obvious that any unusual circumstances were just a bried aberration in a long and productive racing and fund raising campaign.'

Dude's in denial.

What is a "bried aberration"? Sounds cheesy to me.

scotth wrote:

Today's my last day on this thread.

Are you talking about under all your aliases or just this one?

Scott please do not stop reading/posting....would like to put together the race directors' explanations you've received to races where kip was not disqualified even with the mounds of evidence.

TC Tom wrote:

Ooops. Thanks. Glad you guys are on top of this. I am just joining in on this twisted tale.

No problem. Thanks for getting involved. There's still more I'm sure

scotth wrote:

Fellows, your comments remind me of the 3 Blind Men & the Elephant...

Except that it's not 3 Men, it's just 1 guy.

I can believe there's more than one troll on here having fun playing devil's advocate, but when you see several posters harping on the same micro-topic, like scotth's discussions with RDs, you can be sure it's the same guy posting under different names.

I can assure you all this: I believe the guy is guilty based on the evidence that several people provided and posted, yet the writer says that I am Kip himself. Sorry, that is false as God is my witness. How my posts can be construed to be Kip is beyond me. Goes to show that you guys are a little bit confused and what seems obvious is really not. But, carry on.

I've heard that Dr Kip Litton used to post here at this Runango forum up until the year 2008 under the name "shizzlehizzle."

if true, it's from this post

Some interesting posts from what might be Dr. Litton back in 2004-2008....funny that in 2012 we did the guessing

By shizzlehizzle Date 2007-04-09 6:53 PM

We do a "guess my finishing time at Boston" pool at my business. Whoever is the closest gets $100. If their is a tie between one guess that's over and one that's under, the under wins of course. Some people ask questions to help make a more accurate prediction. Others are funny, seriously guessing under 2:20 or over 4 hours. Do you partake in any such bets or games?

By MothAudio Date 2007-04-10 12:00 PM

I've run a "contest" for my last 3-4 marathons were I ask for predictions and I buy the winner lunch when I get back. I provide my profile to make it fair. It's a lot of fun. I'm curious, who puts up the $100? Is there an entry fee to play?

By shizzlehizzle Date 2007-04-10 7:03 PM

No entry fee. Since it is my business, I put up the $100. It's really just another excuse to reward employees. Happy employees makes for a great work atmosphere. Hence, regular office trips to Krispy Kreme & Cold Stone Creamery...

By shizzlehizzle Date 2007-04-11 3:56 PM

I got a good laugh today. Most of the employees have some running knowledge, if not from just entering the contest. I allow them to ask me questions. One new girl said, "I just have 2 questions- Is it longer than a mile, & do they make you run the whole way?"

NOTE to self: check to see if Litton's bib was 1999 in 2008 boston marathon?

"shizzlehizzle Date 2008-03-21 7:54 PM

Haven't posted in quite a while.

Well, by snagging bib# 1999 in what might be my 5th straight and last Boston, I not only got the last available slot in corral 1 (thank you to any from corral 1 that defered), but allowed me to check off my last (realistic) of a long list of running goals.

When does the Boston OCD weather post start?"

"By shizzlehizzle Date 2007-05-05 8:47 AM

I guess that crazy effort in Beantown paid off...

By shizzlehizzle Date 2007-05-05 1:08 PM

I just use that as a professional name. I thought maybe my real name, Shizzle, might scare off some rap haters.

ScottDouglas Date 2007-05-06 7:51 AM

Didn't know you were in the Detoit suburbs. Lived (Farmington Hills) and ran there up until about a year ago. Put in a lot of miles at Kensington and Hines Drive. My dentist was Ronald Berris.

Life is short, live on the edge.

By shizzlehizzle Date 2007-05-06 9:27 AM

I'm very fortunate, I don't have to go anywhere for good running routes- I have 20 miles of hilly, desolate dirt roads right outside my doorstep. I don't recognize your dentist's name. Most of the people I hang with are not dentists- I find that for the most part they are odd ducks. Don't get me wrong- I'm not an anti-dentite! What took you out of Michigan & where are you now?

shizzlehizzle Date 2007-05-06 9:58 AM

Sounds like he has a pretty good gig. Actually, I'm only a few miles from The Palace- very close to everything on one side, & ideal running on the other.

Speaking of the Pistons, a player whose name I won't disclose, just broke up my neighbors marriage. Through her rose colored glasses, she actually left her husband thinking it would last more than a few hookups... (which, of course it didn't).

shizzlehizzle Date 2007-05-06 10:25 AM

It's do as I say, not as I do!!

I (unfortunately) have had a massive sweet tooth ever since I was a young boy. If I could control it, I probably wouldn't have started running. There is a local Dairy Queen type place that is owned by a friend that I go too at least once a day, sometimes more. My discipline for exercise is much stronger than my discipline to back off the sweets.

Don't tell anyone, but my favorite store is called "Sugar Buzz"!

By HeHateMe Date 2007-05-13 6:44 PM

Hey, I know a woman who is one of your patients! She said she didn't even know you were a runner until she saw the article in the paper. Btw, she said she was disappointed to find out that you were married.

By shizzlehizzle Date 2007-05-14 7:29 PM

Well, I really don't talk about it unless someone asks. What is her name? Let me guess... she's in her 60's and significantly overweight? Those types seem to fall for me hard!

So it looks like Kip does (or did) a guess my finishing time poll at Boston where his staff at his dental practice would guess his time? Funny that in 2012 we were all doing it??????????

says he passed Bill Rodgers

http://www.runango.com/forums/topic_show.pl?pid=1484096

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"By shizzlehizzle Date 2007-05-23 8:27 PM

Probably not Boston Billy- he's not that smooth & effortless anymore. Even a hack like me has passed him in a couple races. When I did he was looking very distressed."

who is kip litton?

I do enjoy the irony in the question by the new girl - "do they make you run the whole way?"

scotth wrote:

ouch1000 wrote:

Another moron (or Kip himself). It's Litton who now has a lot of extra time on his hands now that he isn't cheating in races. As Jennifer Straughan, RD at Missoula, said in the article, "He flies all over the country, rents cars, plans in advance, has to figure out how many chip mats there are, how you deal with those. Think about how hard you have to work to notrun a race."

Indeed, our boy has time, plenty of it.

Today's my last day on this thread. Will share an exchange or two I had w/Kip.

Dude's in denial.

Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

SOKLR wrote:

Scott please do not stop reading/posting....would like to put together the race directors' explanations you've received to races where kip was not disqualified even with the mounds of evidence.

There is this new thing. It's called electronic mail. Some people refer to it as 'email.'

Use it.

I fear for the mental health of the induhvidual who posts as "Sparticus" (sic) and it would be a loss if Scotth were to stop posting. Seeing more of the Litton emails would work for me. Every so often you wonder at the mentality of someone who can't seee how obvious it is to spot his aliases (including hijacking others such as this one).

Its like this Kip, anyone supportive of your position or attacking your accusers has to be you so basically to be more convincing you have to start admitting things in your posts.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Just starting to poke around in these posts. Interesting reading and possibly some insights into motivation . . . discussions of goals of winning marathons as a masters age runner, etc.

Shizzle's 07 Boston race report including mile splits (first 2 under 6:00), also hehateme [see below] congratulates shizzlehizzle on his good race:

http://www.runango.com/forums/topic_show.pl?pid=1316542

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I am not sure but the handle appears to have switched from shizzlehizzle to hehateme in 2007/2008, which would open up a whole new bunch of meat for the LRC wolves.

hehateme comes from tennis background:

http://www.runango.com/forums/topic_show.pl?pid=1484096

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there are several other clues in hehateme posts as well, which i don' have time to point out at the moment.

Note this thread, in which someone suggests that hehateme hit Wyoming first when shooting for 50 states under 3 hours and hehateme replies that it will be difficult to find good races in states wit few marathons (unless maybe you make up your own?).

http://www.runango.com/forums/topic_show.pl?pid=4219077

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Also hehateme asking about Sarasota marathon around the time KL ran it.

http://www.runango.com/forums/topic_show.pl?pid=4015133

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Asking about prize$/awards at BAA 5K:

http://www.runango.com/forums/topic_show.pl?pid=4106225

;hl=#pid4106225

Speculating about cheaters(!!!):

http://www.runango.com/forums/topic_show.pl?pid=2878955

;hl=#pid2878955

If shizzlehizzle is in fact hehateme, this little exchange is interesting, from a narcissism point of view:

http://www.runango.com/forums/topic_show.pl?pid=1439199

;hl=#pid1439199

- By HeHateMe [us] Date 2007-05-13 6:44 PM

Hey, I know a woman who is one of your patients! She said she didn't even know you were a runner until she saw the article in the paper. Btw, she said she was disappointed to find out that you were married.

Parent By shizzlehizzle [us] Date 2007-05-14 7:29 PM

Well, I really don't talk about it unless someone asks. What is her name? Let me guess... she's in her 60's and significantly overweight? Those types seem to fall for me hard!

If this stuff is real, it takes psychopathology to a new level. Wow. Might need a new coding system, DSM-5.

Just looked at the splits from the Boston 07 race report.

In addition to a couple bazaar 6:20-6:30s in the middle, the 26 splits add up to more than the purported finishing time of 2:58:45. And those 26 splits don't appear to include the last 0.2 miles.

Couldn't find any splits on baa.org for KL for 2007, but if they are out there it would be interesting to check them against the splits in the shizzle post.

SOKLR wrote:

Sweet! wrote:

Sweet! I made the list.

Which ones are quoted in the article too (I haven't read it)? I wonder if I made it there too. LOL

Sweet! I made it into a national magazine too. Good grief. Some people will believe anything. :)

one by RNrunner and one by ActuallyThisIsTheWayItIs is in there I think. VerdictIsIn may also be - I'm not sure