Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread

ouch1000 wrote:

Trollist wrote:

Still no evidence of Dr. Litton leaving a course and returning to it at a later stage? I thought so.

I guess I should have expected such low journalistic standards of the New Yorker.

A post by another moron (or Kip). When pressed, Litton himself has admitted to leaving the course and returning at a number of races, including Marshall, Missoula and Detroit Free Press to name just three. In the first two of these, he says, he "disqualified himself" by speaking with fantasy race officials who exist in an alternate universe from our own and are only visible to himself and his family.

The emperor of deceit has no clothes.

My friend, add Crim 10 mile '09 and the '10 West Virginia/Marshall U Marathon to the list where he professed to DQ himself.

Has anyone looked into the Georgia Marathon where he was listed in the results and then taken out a couple of days later?

Crim 2007 (maybe a michagander can comment on this race) looks odd on inital scan: 3 min differential. Isnt there a wall of people at this race?

15 231 Blake Taylor Romeo 49 32:53 1:06:07 1:05:57 6:36

16 233 Gary Spilman Midland 46 32:50 1:06:11 1:06:04 6:37

17 236 Daniel Muzljakovich Troy 45 32:45 1:06:19 1:06:13 6:38

18 241 Kip Litton Clarkston 46 32:24 1:09:40 1:06:23 6:39

19 249 Alex McPherson Granger 46 33:17 1:06:47 1:06:42 6:41

20 255 Thomas Gerou Canton 49 32:59 1:06:58 1:06:54 6:42

21 263 Jeff Senkowski Auburn 48 32:51 1:07:08 1:07:05 6:43

22 269 Rick Armes Livonia 47 32:41 1:07:11 1:07:07 6:43

23 302 Harold Rutil Grand Blanc 47 33:00 1:08:12 1:07:49 6:47

24 304 Tony Ketchmark Davison 45 33:52 1:07:54 1:07:52 6:48

25 306 Ray Jeffery Highland 47 33:48 1:07:58 1:07:55 6:48

26 312 John Jeffries Marquette 45 33:12 1:08:08 1:08:03 6:49

27 315 Jim Laurie Washington Twp 47 32:30 1:08:06 1:08:06 6:49

28 320 Alan Caldwell Ann Arbor 49 33:27 1:08:18 1:08:12 6:50

29 323 Thomas Ritter Novi 46 1:08:27 1:08:14 6:50

30 347 Elliott Beattie Beverly Hills 45 33:29 1:08:53 1:08:47 6:53

31 352 Mark Gustafson Armada 48 33:56 1:09:03 1:08:54 6:54

32 353 Chris Giannetti St. Clair Shores 48 34:17 1:08:58 1:08:54 6:54

33 355 Roger Samuel Kansas City 49 34:40 1:09:04 1:08:55 6:54

34 357 Damon Fueri Southfield 45 33:12 1:08:58 1:08:56 6:54

35 364 Kevin Leddy Livonia 47 34:47 1:09:23 1:09:06 6:55

36 368 Mark Kossak Huntington Woods 49 33:31 1:09:12 1:09:09 6:55

37 384 Steven Berriman Flushing 46 33:52 1:09:37 1:09:23 6:57

38 385 Robert Flues Bay City 46 33:30 1:09:27 1:09:25 6:57

Hey Scott - I've got Marshall in my original list, but forgot about Crim. Can you resurrect the bizarre excuse Litton used in explaining his actions at Marshall? I recall from the e-mail exchange with him that it was something about waking up late, missing the start and then crossing the finish line in order to get a nifty finisher's photo carrying a football.

Thanks - Keep this new stuff coming. When I get some time, I will update the map and timeline on the blog.

ouch1000 wrote:

Hey Scott - I've got Marshall in my original list, but forgot about Crim. Can you resurrect the bizarre excuse Litton used in explaining his actions at Marshall? I recall from the e-mail exchange with him that it was something about waking up late, missing the start and then crossing the finish line in order to get a nifty finisher's photo carrying a football.

On 2nd look, I see you mentioned Marshall. You nailed his explanation for his WV caper. I don't recall if he contacted the RD on race day, or later. At any rate, it was yet another email exchange between Kip & I where he admitted mucking up and I didn't know whether to laugh or cry for the guy.

Whenever I wake up late for a race I ALWAYS register under a DIFFERENT NAME and cheat my way to a sub-3 for the sake of a cool finisher photo. I'll believe that one when my sh!t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

GK - For the record, what is your total now for the number of times you've been Kipped?

Hmmmmmm wrote:

The writer didn't follow up with any of Litton's "witnesses."

Why not?

Is this true?

I'd have to double check, but I think 16 if you count the 3 in Gasparilla from 2008. No solid proof that he cheated in those because the photos are gone forever, but does anyone besides Kip believe that he raced those legitimately?

LouisKC wrote:

Hmmmmmm wrote:

The writer didn't follow up with any of Litton's "witnesses."

Why not?

Is this true?

Yes and no.

1) The no answer - In e-mail conversations with Singer, race directors at Delaware and Missoula, and Scott, he frequently refers to anonymous witnesses: As an example, referring to his fabricated West Wyoming Marathon, he says, "I had a local resident lined up to help out. Race morning I got quite a surprise when no one showed up..." When pressed for information about the "local resident," or any other supposed witness who can corroborate one of his many fabricated storylines, Litton clams up and never produces an identifiable contact. You can't contact any of Litton's witnesses any more easily than I can talk to my seven-year-old daughter's imaginary friends.

2) The yes answer - many, including Singer, I believe, have tried to contact his spouse to corroborate Litton's story in good faith. But as far as I'm aware, she is not talking. Also - the article mentions that Singer did speak with acquaintances of Litton, but I don't believe they provided more than background information; they couldn't corroborate any of his performances or actions.

scotth wrote:

I called the Sarasota RD and we talked for 30 minutes. I'd already done some homework to learn what I could about her DQ and it seemed there was ample reason to do so.

Why bother if she'd already been DQ'd?

You must have an awful lot of extra time on your hands.

This is beside the point, but I have it on good authority that the Sarasota RD is an idiot, or at least was in way over her head, which is perhaps the main reason the marathon lasted only a half-dozen years, if that.

Odd - Detroit Free Press Marathon 5K - 2006 (run the day after 2 local 5Ks that were on the same day and this time was the fastest):

1:45 gun-chip differential in a 5K.

5K Age Group Results

NOTE: Actual Distance is 3.6 Miles - Paces have been adjusted to reflect new distance

DETROIT FREE PRESS/FLAGSTAR BANK MARATHON

Sunday, October 29, 2006

*********** MALE OVERALL WINNERS ************

Place Oall No. Name City Sta Ag Guntm Time Pace

===== ==== ====== ====================== ================= === == ======= ======= =====

1 1 21735 Ryan Sheehan Rochester MI 23 17:12 17:11 4:47

*********** FEMALE OVERALL WINNERS ************

Place Oall No. Name City Sta Ag Guntm Time Pace

===== ==== ====== ====================== ================= === == ======= ======= =====

1 7 21848 Denisa Costescu Novi MI 30 19:57 19:56 5:33

************ MALE MASTERS WINNER ************

Place Oall No. Name City Sta Ag Guntm Time Pace

===== ==== ====== ====================== ================= === == ======= ======= =====

1 6 21206 Kip Litton Clarkston MI 45 21:33 19:15 5:21

Uncivil Engineer wrote:

scotth wrote:

I called the Sarasota RD and we talked for 30 minutes. I'd already done some homework to learn what I could about her DQ and it seemed there was ample reason to do so.

Why bother if she'd already been DQ'd?

You must have an awful lot of extra time on your hands.

This is beside the point, but I have it on good authority that the Sarasota RD is an idiot, or at least was in way over her head, which is perhaps the main reason the marathon lasted only a half-dozen years, if that.

It would only be worse if he had a website dedicated to a cheater. Wait a sec... ;)

SOKLR wrote:

Thanks - Keep this new stuff coming. When I get some time, I will update the map and timeline on the blog.

Can you get that done tonight.

Uncivil Engineer wrote:

scotth wrote:

I called the Sarasota RD and we talked for 30 minutes. I'd already done some homework to learn what I could about her DQ and it seemed there was ample reason to do so.

Why bother if she'd already been DQ'd?

You must have an awful lot of extra time on your hands.

This is beside the point, but I have it on good authority that the Sarasota RD is an idiot, or at least was in way over her head, which is perhaps the main reason the marathon lasted only a half-dozen years, if that.

You're reading comprehension skills are poor. The reason I looked into it is because the leader of the club she ran for at the time believed she was innocent. Finding it hard to believe a race would DQ somebody w/out good reason AND that she lives only 20 miles from me, I thought I'd explore the issue. Per the 'extra time on your hands' comment above, it's my time and I'll use it as I like. The Sarasota RD was the one that ultimately made the DQ call but not before assembling ALL the facts in the case, hearing from all the witnesses, etc. She made the right call - Noble was guilty.

So you jumped in there to tell an RD who had DQ'd someone exactly why they DQ'd someone when they had already DQ'd that someone.

I missed it wrote:

You must have an awful lot of extra time on your hands.

Another moron (or Kip himself). It's Litton who now has a lot of extra time on his hands now that he isn't cheating in races. As Jennifer Straughan, RD at Missoula, said in the article, "He flies all over the country, rents cars, plans in advance, has to figure out how many chip mats there are, how you deal with those. Think about how hard you have to work to notrun a race."

Here's an interesting observation and I'm done sleuthing:

Crim 2007 overall race results:

http://www.runmichigan.com/results/full.php/2007/08/25/2007-crim-festival-of-races.html?page=2

There is a halfway split mat which kl hit in 32:xx after starting 3:23 after the gun. I do not know if the split mat takes that into account or if he hit the mat in about 29 minutes from the time he crossed the line.

Here's a youtube vid of the start:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FExQTnhta1s

If anyone can locate kl in there, you get a gold star (should be at least 3:40 into the video)

Try getting past that wall of humanity after 3 minutes. 32 min would be a good time for a 5 miler accounting for all that traffic. 29, forget it.

For the conspiracy theorists out there, Kurt (40-44) and Lesli (35-39) Litton (dont know the relationships) were entered and had a 6 min differential at the start. They were two of the very rare people who did not record a halfway split. Little spooky, eh. They finished at about 2:10.