A grand jury in Arizona has handed up an indictment against former President Donald Trump’s allies over their efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, including the fake electors from that state and several individuals connected to his campaign.
Boris Epshteyn, a former White House aide who remains one of Trump’s closest advisers; former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows; and Rudy Giuliani are among those who have been indicted, according to a source familiar with the investigation.
A grand jury in Arizona has handed up an indictment against former President Donald Trump’s allies over their efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, including the fake electors from that state and several individuals connected to his campaign.
Boris Epshteyn, a former White House aide who remains one of Trump’s closest advisers; former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows; and Rudy Giuliani are among those who have been indicted, according to a source familiar with the investigation.
I don't think those trials occur prior to the election and, if Trump is re-elected, most likely never will occur.
SCOTUS will kick enough of this to the lower level(s) which will delay further.
But after he loses in November, he has a lifetime in court waiting for him.
Reminds me that one of Trump's White House lawyers - I think it was either Cipollone or Herschmann - told Trump something like "if you keep going down this road, you're going to spend the rest of your life in courtrooms."
A grand jury in Arizona has handed up an indictment against former President Donald Trump’s allies over their efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, including the fake electors from that state and several individuals connected to his campaign.
Boris Epshteyn, a former White House aide who remains one of Trump’s closest advisers; former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows; and Rudy Giuliani are among those who have been indicted, according to a source familiar with the investigation.
Nice to see that sneaky little Russian sh!tbird Boris Epshtyn finally get indicted. He wasn't charged in Georgia or in the Bathroom case in Florida (or other states as far as I know), despite being in the thick of all these conspiracies. Hopefully he can get deported back home if he gets convicted. Or maybe we could hostage trade him?
Boris should worried about Arizona too. From what I've read he's been busted twice in Arizona, once for drunk and disorderly, and another time in 2021 for (taking a cue from his leader) groping women in public. There's a video out there of him being arrested. Not a good look to a judge having priors like that.
It seems Trump's chance of having charges dismissed or being acquitted are higher after today. Hard to put numbers on such things, but say they have risen from 15% to 30%. I hope this motivates the DOJ to finally indict the six Unindicted Co-Conspirators -- Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, Clark, Chesebro and Boris Epshyte. One goal of the prosecution has to be deterrence, and if you can't stop a president from ginning up fake electors and certificates because he's immune from criminal prosecution, you can surely go after his co-conspirators who have no such immunity, and deter such future conduct in Presidential advisors and staff.
Along those lines, do Trumpers who have now become evangelists about presidential immunity realize that if Trump's behavior in late 2020 to January 2021 is immunized from prosecution, there is nothing stopping President Biden from ordering up his own slate of fake elector certificates in December 2024 - January 2025 and telling Vice President Harris to count only those ones? Unlike Pence, Harris will do as she's told. I think Trump fans are able to understand that could happen, but are willing to take their chances that, even with immunity decided in his favor, Biden will decide NOT to do what Trump just did. That says a lot about Biden, Trump and Trump fans.
It seems Trump's chance of having charges dismissed or being acquitted are higher after today. Hard to put numbers on such things, but say they have risen from 15% to 30%. I hope this motivates the DOJ to finally indict the six Unindicted Co-Conspirators -- Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, Clark, Chesebro and Boris Epshyte. One goal of the prosecution has to be deterrence, and if you can't stop a president from ginning up fake electors and certificates because he's immune from criminal prosecution, you can surely go after his co-conspirators who have no such immunity, and deter such future conduct in Presidential advisors and staff.
Along those lines, do Trumpers who have now become evangelists about presidential immunity realize that if Trump's behavior in late 2020 to January 2021 is immunized from prosecution, there is nothing stopping President Biden from ordering up his own slate of fake elector certificates in December 2024 - January 2025 and telling Vice President Harris to count only those ones? Unlike Pence, Harris will do as she's told. I think Trump fans are able to understand that could happen, but are willing to take their chances that, even with immunity decided in his favor, Biden will decide NOT to do what Trump just did. That says a lot about Biden, Trump and Trump fans.
I was thinking about how it might feel to all of Trumps coconspirators including those in prison as they contemplate Trump getting immunity while they rot in prison and bankrupt themselves for Trump. They must despise him. But they can’t turn on him because he is their only ticket to freedom with a possible pardon.
We are experiencing what it’s like to transition into authoritarian,crackpot form of a country.
“I’m not concerned about this case so much as future ones, too” - Gorsuch “I’m not focused on the here and now of this case; I’m very concerned about the future” - Kavanaugh “I’m not discussing the particular facts of this case” - Alito
“I’m not concerned about this case so much as future ones, too” - Gorsuch “I’m not focused on the here and now of this case; I’m very concerned about the future” - Kavanaugh “I’m not discussing the particular facts of this case” - Alito
They were saying that kind of stuff a lot, and it came off as odd. I took it as their way of dodging discussion of the facts recited in the Indictment which make any Trump voter uncomfortable.
“I’m not concerned about this case so much as future ones, too” - Gorsuch “I’m not focused on the here and now of this case; I’m very concerned about the future” - Kavanaugh “I’m not discussing the particular facts of this case” - Alito
They were saying that kind of stuff a lot, and it came off as odd. I took it as their way of dodging discussion of the facts recited in the Indictment which make any Trump voter uncomfortable.
They are giving themselves cover for not rejecting this insane Trump legal argument on its merits. And delivering Trump his delay.
Bove is a geek. Trump is going to have a hard time winning with a geeky Melvin-looking lawyer sitting next to him. Juries don't like geeks. It's an optics thing. Prosecutor Steinglass is pretty geeky too, but nowhere near the level of Bove.
Pecker is off the stand. He should watch his six for the next few weeks. Don't follow regular routes. Never sleep in the same bed two nights in a row. Avoid Kari Lake.
No one knows who Rhonda Graff or Gary Faro is. The prosecution is losing the jury by putting up these boring people. They need Stormy Daniels up there with video exhibits.
Bove is a geek. Trump is going to have a hard time winning with a geeky Melvin-looking lawyer sitting next to him. Juries don't like geeks. It's an optics thing. Prosecutor Steinglass is pretty geeky too, but nowhere near the level of Bove.
Pecker is off the stand. He should watch his six for the next few weeks. Don't follow regular routes. Never sleep in the same bed two nights in a row. Avoid Kari Lake.
No one knows who Rhonda Graff or Gary Faro is. The prosecution is losing the jury by putting up these boring people. They need Stormy Daniels up there with video exhibits.
Honestly. I don’t know how this lasts 6-10 weeks.
But I’m not a lawyer. I just play one on message boards.
Bove is a geek. Trump is going to have a hard time winning with a geeky Melvin-looking lawyer sitting next to him. Juries don't like geeks. It's an optics thing. Prosecutor Steinglass is pretty geeky too, but nowhere near the level of Bove.
Pecker is off the stand. He should watch his six for the next few weeks. Don't follow regular routes. Never sleep in the same bed two nights in a row. Avoid Kari Lake.
No one knows who Rhonda Graff or Gary Faro is. The prosecution is losing the jury by putting up these boring people. They need Stormy Daniels up there with video exhibits.
This is king of juicy:
From Cohens banker that opened the shell account to pay Stormy
Email from Farro on Oct. 13, 2016: "Need an account opened for Mike Cohen immediately. He wants no address on the checks. Calling you now to discuss."
Google and X, formerly Twitter, recently provided hundreds of files to Michigan prosecutors for their 2020 election subversion probe, complying with search warrants that investigators obtained after CNN revealed secret social...
Lying or withholding information from investigators is risky and crazy. If this is true, it puts Cheeser in a whole different category of criminal conspirator, and makes his post-plea comments about being sorry look like lies. You have to really wonder what this geek/dweeb was thinking.
It seems Trump's chance of having charges dismissed or being acquitted are higher after today. Hard to put numbers on such things, but say they have risen from 15% to 30%. I hope this motivates the DOJ to finally indict the six Unindicted Co-Conspirators -- Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, Clark, Chesebro and Boris Epshyte. One goal of the prosecution has to be deterrence, and if you can't stop a president from ginning up fake electors and certificates because he's immune from criminal prosecution, you can surely go after his co-conspirators who have no such immunity, and deter such future conduct in Presidential advisors and staff.
Along those lines, do Trumpers who have now become evangelists about presidential immunity realize that if Trump's behavior in late 2020 to January 2021 is immunized from prosecution, there is nothing stopping President Biden from ordering up his own slate of fake elector certificates in December 2024 - January 2025 and telling Vice President Harris to count only those ones? Unlike Pence, Harris will do as she's told. I think Trump fans are able to understand that could happen, but are willing to take their chances that, even with immunity decided in his favor, Biden will decide NOT to do what Trump just did. That says a lot about Biden, Trump and Trump fans.
They would never admit this but they are not worried because they know Biden is honest
Bove is a geek. Trump is going to have a hard time winning with a geeky Melvin-looking lawyer sitting next to him. Juries don't like geeks. It's an optics thing. Prosecutor Steinglass is pretty geeky too, but nowhere near the level of Bove.
Pecker is off the stand. He should watch his six for the next few weeks. Don't follow regular routes. Never sleep in the same bed two nights in a row. Avoid Kari Lake.
No one knows who Rhonda Graff or Gary Faro is. The prosecution is losing the jury by putting up these boring people. They need Stormy Daniels up there with video exhibits.
This is king of juicy:
From Cohens banker that opened the shell account to pay Stormy
Email from Farro on Oct. 13, 2016: "Need an account opened for Mike Cohen immediately. He wants no address on the checks. Calling you now to discuss."
There's going to be a series of witnesses that come with the receipts before Cohen testifies. It's going to be real hard to say he's lying about a bunch of things that left a paper trail a mile long.
It seems Trump's chance of having charges dismissed or being acquitted are higher after today. Hard to put numbers on such things, but say they have risen from 15% to 30%. I hope this motivates the DOJ to finally indict the six Unindicted Co-Conspirators -- Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, Clark, Chesebro and Boris Epshyte. One goal of the prosecution has to be deterrence, and if you can't stop a president from ginning up fake electors and certificates because he's immune from criminal prosecution, you can surely go after his co-conspirators who have no such immunity, and deter such future conduct in Presidential advisors and staff.
Along those lines, do Trumpers who have now become evangelists about presidential immunity realize that if Trump's behavior in late 2020 to January 2021 is immunized from prosecution, there is nothing stopping President Biden from ordering up his own slate of fake elector certificates in December 2024 - January 2025 and telling Vice President Harris to count only those ones? Unlike Pence, Harris will do as she's told. I think Trump fans are able to understand that could happen, but are willing to take their chances that, even with immunity decided in his favor, Biden will decide NOT to do what Trump just did. That says a lot about Biden, Trump and Trump fans.
They would never admit this but they are not worried because they know Biden is honest
They'd hysterically dispute that characterization of Biden, but yeah that's what I'm getting at. They know deep down that even if the SCOTUS gives Biden a green light to do whatever illegal sh!t he wants to that, unlike Trump, he would not try to illegally overturn an election. They KNOW that, which is how they selectively and temporarily cheer on batsh!t ideas like presidential immunity for all of Trump's crimes. Trumpers are not the most principled people on earth.
Here's the golden posts that Trump got sanctioned for.
A Truth Social post on April 10 at 10:48 a.m. Truth Social post, April 13, 12:56 p.m. Truth Social post, April 15, 9:12 a.m. Truth Social post, April 15, 10:26 a.m. Campaign website post, April 15 Truth Social post, April 16, 1:50 p.m. Campaign website post, April 16 Truth Social post, April 16, 7:09 p.m. Truth Social post, April 17, 5:46 p.m.
Trump will be selling printed, signed copies of these on his website in 12X16, 18X24 and 36X48 sized frames. Collector's edition. Limited time offer. Make your living room, bedroom or garage part of America's rich Trump tradition with these commemorative historical posts.
Here's the golden posts that Trump got sanctioned for.
A Truth Social post on April 10 at 10:48 a.m. Truth Social post, April 13, 12:56 p.m. Truth Social post, April 15, 9:12 a.m. Truth Social post, April 15, 10:26 a.m. Campaign website post, April 15 Truth Social post, April 16, 1:50 p.m. Campaign website post, April 16 Truth Social post, April 16, 7:09 p.m. Truth Social post, April 17, 5:46 p.m.
Trump will be selling printed, signed copies of these on his website in 12X16, 18X24 and 36X48 sized frames. Collector's edition. Limited time offer. Make your living room, bedroom or garage part of America's rich Trump tradition with these commemorative historical posts.
Along those lines, do Trumpers who have now become evangelists about presidential immunity realize that if Trump's behavior in late 2020 to January 2021 is immunized from prosecution, there is nothing stopping President Biden from ordering up his own slate of fake elector certificates in December 2024 - January 2025 and telling Vice President Harris to count only those ones? Unlike Pence, Harris will do as she's told. I think Trump fans are able to understand that could happen, but are willing to take their chances that, even with immunity decided in his favor, Biden will decide NOT to do what Trump just did. That says a lot about Biden, Trump and Trump fans.
You just having a little fun with your hypothetical?
Moot point, but the alternative is that Harris has the same view of it that Biden does: He wouldn't ask, and she wouldn't comply. The US has a fairly small percentage of people willing to do things like that (left, right, whatever). Trump and the people he's trying to get to populate his possible upcoming administration are in that group.
Along those lines, do Trumpers who have now become evangelists about presidential immunity realize that if Trump's behavior in late 2020 to January 2021 is immunized from prosecution, there is nothing stopping President Biden from ordering up his own slate of fake elector certificates in December 2024 - January 2025 and telling Vice President Harris to count only those ones? Unlike Pence, Harris will do as she's told. I think Trump fans are able to understand that could happen, but are willing to take their chances that, even with immunity decided in his favor, Biden will decide NOT to do what Trump just did. That says a lot about Biden, Trump and Trump fans.
You just having a little fun with your hypothetical?
Thanks, Beefington. Beefie boy. So, Trump gets to bug out on trial to go to his son's graduation?!?! You can count on your hand the number of criminal defendants in American history that have been granted such a ridiculous trial interruption.
You got to pay to play, man. If you want to bury the bones, you got to pay The Man using your lawyer's home equity loans. That's how we roll in America. If you don't like it, you can take your suitcase on the road with you.
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