Why is Pichardo going to Portugal from Cuba not as big a deal as the steeple lady going from Kenya to Kazakhstan? Both are obviously pecuniary motives.
It’s a math/coaching/staff issue. Not the job of the athletes to guess on steps. Getting the steps right within a certain range is fairly easy. Not sure why our coaches have so much trouble with it.
?? I'm not saying it is an athlete issue. I said it was the line up/accel zone/go mark issue. It is 100 percent a coaching issue. That is why I said it should have been identifies and pushed out after the prelims
It’s very clear from watching that he’s just guessing because the steps are wrong. That’s never going to be a recipe for consistent success.
What are “the steps”? where do you count from, if that is the right question
It’s a function of knowing the incoming and outgoing speed, and knowing when a person has to take off to create that bubble of time where the speeds match - and you want to pass the stick within that window. Then it becomes a technique issue (which we are bad at too — we don’t even know HOW to pass the stick — it’s always getting passed with the runners on top of each other with no arm extension). Steps will change depending on the runners. Anymore, good coaches can get it pretty close to right by just watching video but practice is needed to fine tune it. I don’t think we do it.
Again the problem is not the athletes. Athletes have come and gone for 15+ years now and the problems remain the same….
They won in 2019 in 37.10 NR with Lyles anchoring, why didn't they do that here?
Hard to say. It’s hypothetically possible to still run fast with the eyeball/on the fly approach that our teams seem to employ. It’s just going to be super super inconsistent.
Hard to say. It’s hypothetically possible to still run fast with the eyeball/on the fly approach that our teams seem to employ. It’s just going to be super super inconsistent.
Exactly. You can get it together occasionally or benefit from good fortune, but a true measure of excellence is consistency. Especially on the men's side, we are not talking about isolated failures. It is systematic failures around some of the best athletes in the world all on one team (Jam aside)
Then that means he doesn't know what he's doing, when he quite easily could.
That’s not an athlete’s job. Coaches are trained to do the proper analysis to factor in incoming runner’s speed, outgoing runner’s speed, and a few other factors to know how to optimize the race and keep the stick at the highest possible velocity and to do so safely. Except our coaches don’t do that apparently.
Factors, always the factors.
Why do you insist on blaming the coaches for an athlete's failure to perform what is an extremely simple task? The success of foreign teams with slower runners indicates that US athletes, in this particular area, are relatively uncoachable. You think foreign coaches have some secret knowledge or something?
Hard to say. It’s hypothetically possible to still run fast with the eyeball/on the fly approach that our teams seem to employ. It’s just going to be super super inconsistent.
Exactly. You can get it together occasionally or benefit from good fortune, but a true measure of excellence is consistency. Especially on the men's side, we are not talking about isolated failures. It is systematic failures around some of the best athletes in the world all on one team (Jam aside)
However, I remember the talk was specifically more about getting the right order. US was always locked in to running the fastest 100 guy on the anchor (Coleman in 2019) and instead the put Coleman on leadoff (like tonight) and Lyles on anchor because of his top end speed. So you had two of the four runners from that 2019 team, why not leave them in those spots and then tailor the middle legs to compare to Gatlin and Rodgers. It was felt at the time that the US had finally figured it out.
So happy for Abby. I took a real beating on this other message board for suggesting that she could beat two of the Jamaicans (and she did beat one) and I didn't know at the time she had run 54 races this season. I hope they put her on the 4 x 400 to show her true range, but of course they probably just have to have Felix on there.
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