In a deep blue district with a deep blue judge the merits of the case have nothing at all to do with the verdict.
Nah. That hypothesis is way too sweeping and has way too many actual instances where it is wrong to be of any help at all, even as a general rule of thumb. It's stupid and could probably apply to every criminal case in the country. You're just trying to get out in front of a possible adverse verdict for your savior with the usual, endless pre-fab excuses/whines.
On legal grounds the case is laughable. The prosecution's argument is that Trump committed election fraud by paying the Enquirer not to run negative stories. 1. It's not illegal to buy the rights to stories. 2. It's not election fraud to try to make yourself look good during a campaign.
That is an incorrect summary of the prosecution's argument. You haven't read any of the relevant motions, responses, exhibits or orders from the court, so you are yet again expressing opinions on things you know little or nothing about. I'll never understand why people do that. You could easily look this stuff up. You look so foolish and stupid when you talk about stuff you have never read.
For anyone actually interested in what the prosecution's argument is, you can refer to my post on the previous page (post # 4557) which links the prosecution's November 9, 2023 response to a motion to dismiss. That is the prosecution's argument (pages 21 to 43).
You can also see the prosecution's argument summarized in this Order from Judge Merchan at pages 11-18.
Even more troubling Democrats are bringing this ridiculous case after using the FBI and all of social and main stream media to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story for the express purpose of protecting Biden in the 2020 election. If the media was even remotely honest about what's happening this case would destroy Biden's chances in November.
Hunter Biden, his laptop, the FBI, and Biden have absolutely nothing to do with anything in this case, and certainly have nothing to do with the prosecution's arguments, which you remain completely ignorant of, that Trump violated New York Penal law 175.10.
The trial is 3 days old. Nothing you've read prior to the last 3 days is relevant to the actual case being brought in the trial itself.
The entire case hinges on the mystery crime mentioned in the 34 count indictment. No one had any idea what that mystery crime was until this week. You having an uninformed opinion on the matter last year is completely irrelevant.
I never said the Hunter Biden laptop was relevant to the case. I simply pointed out how absurd it is for the Democrats to try to claim Trump was interfering in an election with the National Enquirer while the Democrats literally had the FBI lean on the print media and social media to kill the laptop story to directly interfere with the 2020 election.
Nah. That hypothesis is way too sweeping and has way too many actual instances where it is wrong to be of any help at all, even as a general rule of thumb. It's stupid and could probably apply to every criminal case in the country. You're just trying to get out in front of a possible adverse verdict for your savior with the usual, endless pre-fab excuses/whines.
That is an incorrect summary of the prosecution's argument. You haven't read any of the relevant motions, responses, exhibits or orders from the court, so you are yet again expressing opinions on things you know little or nothing about. I'll never understand why people do that. You could easily look this stuff up. You look so foolish and stupid when you talk about stuff you have never read.
For anyone actually interested in what the prosecution's argument is, you can refer to my post on the previous page (post # 4557) which links the prosecution's November 9, 2023 response to a motion to dismiss. That is the prosecution's argument (pages 21 to 43).
You can also see the prosecution's argument summarized in this Order from Judge Merchan at pages 11-18.
Hunter Biden, his laptop, the FBI, and Biden have absolutely nothing to do with anything in this case, and certainly have nothing to do with the prosecution's arguments, which you remain completely ignorant of, that Trump violated New York Penal law 175.10.
The trial is 3 days old. Nothing you've read prior to the last 3 days is relevant to the actual case being brought in the trial itself.
I'm unclear what you are trying to say. Nothing that anyone, including you, reads at any time "is relevant to the actual case being brought in the trial itself." That's a truism and hardly profound. Were you trying to say something else?
The entire case hinges on the mystery crime mentioned in the 34 count indictment. No one had any idea what that mystery crime was until this week. You having an uninformed opinion on the matter last year is completely irrelevant.
You have a severe reading comprehension problem. I had no opinion on the matter last year. The prosecution, on the other hand, disclosed their argument about the crime at leastlast November 9, 2023 (and probably much earlier) in the Response brief that I conveniently linked for you one day ago in Post # 4557 on page 228 of this thread.
The Judge also had an opinion on what the crime is as well in the Order dated February 15, 2024 that I also linked for you above. The "mystery crime" you complain of was disclosed at least last November 9, 2023, not last week. There is no "mystery crime." You look really stupid and uninformed posting otherwise.
Furthermore, as already pointed out to you, your characterization and description of the crime was WRONG, and you still look stupid for posting it. You've done nothing to fix that look. In fact, you've made it worse for yourself.
No, I'm a completely serious person who saw right through your bull$hit, and the defense's, and called you on it, so you'll disengage.
Noted.
All you've demonstrated is that you don't know anything about the case and that your opinion is based on politics not facts.
You've posted at least two easily debunked falsehoods about Trump's Porn trial today and then you claim someone else is being political not factual? That nuts, man. That's a total lack of self-awareness.
Instead of humiliating yourself further here, you should go back to your Twitter sources and tell them you are sick and tired of being fed false information and that they have embarrassed you on LRC. Tell them in no uncertain terms that you will not copy or sling any more of their sh!t if they don't improve their content.
The Arizona fake electors got charged conspiracy, fraud, forgery and public indecency. Yeah, you can't gin up fake documents and parade them around as real. That's just forbidden in practically all walks of life. Fake ID, fake tax return, fake bank application, fake check, fake car rental, fake report card, fake damn near anything, and you'll get busted.
Eleven Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring Donald Trump beat Joe Biden in Arizona in the 2020 presidential election have been charged with conspiracy, fraud and forgery.
There's some funny sh!t in this Arizona Fake Electors Indictment. Giuliani plans a meeting with Rusty Bowers, the Speak of the Arizona House (and a Republican) at the Arizona legislature, meets him there and then starts telling him not to certify the Arizona certificates because, according to Giuliani, Arizona had 14,000 dead people voting, 5,000 military ballots stolen, and 200,000 non-citizens voting. Giuliani had also previously told Bowers this bullsh!t on the phone a week earlier. At the face-to-face meeting at the legislature, Bowers asks Giuliani again for proof of this stuff and Giuliani tells him that he has it, but he left it back at the hotel room! Needless to say, the proof is never delivered to Bowers by Giuliani or anyone. Maybe Giuliani's hotel dog ate it?
There's some funny sh!t in this Arizona Fake Electors Indictment. Giuliani plans a meeting with Rusty Bowers, the Speak of the Arizona House (and a Republican) at the Arizona legislature, meets him there and then starts telling him not to certify the Arizona certificates because, according to Giuliani, Arizona had 14,000 dead people voting, 5,000 military ballots stolen, and 200,000 non-citizens voting. Giuliani had also previously told Bowers this bullsh!t on the phone a week earlier. At the face-to-face meeting at the legislature, Bowers asks Giuliani again for proof of this stuff and Giuliani tells him that he has it, but he left it back at the hotel room! Needless to say, the proof is never delivered to Bowers by Giuliani or anyone. Maybe Giuliani's hotel dog ate it?
That was the hotel room where he had his hands down his pants think he scored with an underage girl ... the Borat jumped in to save her from the pedo. … Almost caught with his pants down … just another second or two. YIKES!
Wonder how the Trumpsters are enjoying the absolute beat down they are taking in the absolute immunity case this morning?
Even Justices like Barrett and Gorsuch are pounding on Trumps's lawyer.
Hilarious to hear someone argue that staging a coup "might be an official act... depending..."
Sure, this worked in Trump's favor to delay, delay, delay, but ultimately Trump will be facing justice in Georgia and elsewhere.
You can't underestimate the gift that was given to Trump just to hear this insane case. Everything Trumps legal team is doing is 100% delay. Nothing else.
Even the gag order violations are to entice the judges to take action and then they can litigate those rulings to cause more delays. All these filings in Florida are delay, delay, delay.
But if this SC rules that the President enjoys "some immunity" and sends it back to the lower court to determine if Trump's acts were official acts, then we know this SC is 100% corrupt and in the tank for Trump.
Wonder how the Trumpsters are enjoying the absolute beat down they are taking in the absolute immunity case this morning?
Even Justices like Barrett and Gorsuch are pounding on Trumps's lawyer.
Hilarious to hear someone argue that staging a coup "might be an official act... depending..."
Sure, this worked in Trump's favor to delay, delay, delay, but ultimately Trump will be facing justice in Georgia and elsewhere.
You can't underestimate the gift that was given to Trump just to hear this insane case. Everything Trumps legal team is doing is 100% delay. Nothing else.
Even the gag order violations are to entice the judges to take action and then they can litigate those rulings to cause more delays. All these filings in Florida are delay, delay, delay.
But if this SC rules that the President enjoys "some immunity" and sends it back to the lower court to determine if Trump's acts were official acts, then we know this SC is 100% corrupt and in the tank for Trump.
Agreed (I addressed that in my last sentence).
And not only could they ask the lower court to determine IF the acts were official, they also could ask WHICH acts were official, and if any, which charges should then be dropped. Either would cause more delay.
They are also hearing the case last in this session, be design, I'm sure.
You can't underestimate the gift that was given to Trump just to hear this insane case. Everything Trumps legal team is doing is 100% delay. Nothing else.
Even the gag order violations are to entice the judges to take action and then they can litigate those rulings to cause more delays. All these filings in Florida are delay, delay, delay.
But if this SC rules that the President enjoys "some immunity" and sends it back to the lower court to determine if Trump's acts were official acts, then we know this SC is 100% corrupt and in the tank for Trump.
Agreed (I addressed that in my last sentence).
And not only could they ask the lower court to determine IF the acts were official, they also could ask WHICH acts were official, and if any, which charges should then be dropped. Either would cause more delay.
They are also hearing the case last in this session, be design, I'm sure.
Yep
Never forget this point. Trump's lawyers argued that it was wrong to impeach Trump for these election crimes because the US Justice system was the appropriate venue to address Presidential crimes. They are now arguing exactly the opposite.
Trump's defense for this? "that was other lawyers and not this group of lawyers"
Unbelievable!!!!! Alito is saying out loud Trumps entire motive for wanting to stay ion office and also get back into office.
“Justice Alito suggests that, if former presidents are subject to prosecution after leaving office, they'll be more likely to seek to unlawfully remain in office after they were defeated for re-election/their term has ended.”
Unbelievable!!!!! Alito is saying out loud Trumps entire motive for wanting to stay ion office and also get back into office.
“Justice Alito suggests that, if former presidents are subject to prosecution after leaving office, they'll be more likely to seek to unlawfully remain in office after they were defeated for re-election/their term has ended.”
So let's allow our President's to get away with crimes, so they don't commit other crimes? smh
Wonder how the Trumpsters are enjoying the absolute beat down they are taking in the absolute immunity case this morning?
Even Justices like Barrett and Gorsuch are pounding on Trumps's lawyer.
Hilarious to hear someone argue that staging a coup "might be an official act... depending..."
Sure, this worked in Trump's favor to delay, delay, delay, but ultimately Trump will be facing justice in Georgia and elsewhere.
But if this SC rules that the President enjoys "some immunity" and sends it back to the lower court to determine if Trump's acts were official acts, then we know this SC is 100% corrupt and in the tank for Trump.
I wouldn't go that far. The argument of immunity for official acts comes from the case that decided presidents have immunity from civil cases for official acts. It's not impossible to see how that could be extended to criminal cases. It's a legit argument.
That hearing was intense. I think this case will be remanded down to the district with a ruling that official acts can be immune from criminal prosecution. But I don't think the SCOTUS will require the district court to hold some separate pre-trial hearing to determine what is and what is not an official act or even require a pre-trial judicial decision on it (which could then be appealed by Trump back up to SCOTUS), before the trial. I think the district court will be able to send all the "official acts" issues to the jury as fact issues for them to resolve. I think Barret pretty much confirmed that will happen with her questions on the procedures on remand.
The only Justice I see in the can for Trump is (predictably) Alito, who all of a sudden sounds like a born-again ACLU lawyer with respect to the charges on Trump, when he usually rubber-stamps all death penalty or Miranda, etc. cases before him. Alito doesn't even try to hide it any more. He did a better job arguing for Trump than Trump's lawyers.
Wonder how the Trumpsters are enjoying the absolute beat down they are taking in the absolute immunity case this morning?
Even Justices like Barrett and Gorsuch are pounding on Trumps's lawyer.
Hilarious to hear someone argue that staging a coup "might be an official act... depending..."
Sure, this worked in Trump's favor to delay, delay, delay, but ultimately Trump will be facing justice in Georgia and elsewhere.
My hunch is that Trump will beat this due to a fast news cycle and people having short attention spans. The delay tactic will do just enough to get him into the election (win or lose). If they kick this down to a lower court and stall throughout this summer he will win this battle. Somewhat similar to Putin's attempts to gaslight everyone and get to Nov. 2024...
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