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Junk Master wrote:
As I predicted a week ago, the article has caused a drastic increase in posts on this thread, rather than being the final word.
What evidence does Singer have Kip used a bike? How could the New Yorker print pure, unsubstantiated speculation?
There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence, many people in this thread (or possibly just you with many aliases) have pretended to not understand logical deduction. In a court of law is the only admissable evidence that of the "Smoking gun" variety? Several photos (and absence of photos) have been a smoking gun to not running the race.
Right. Kip owns a bike back in Michigan. Therefore, "a bicycle is surely is." You agree with the New Yorker. 100%
I own four bikes so I suppose that makes me an accomplice.
Seriously, I doubt any jury would buy the argument, irrespective of the circumstantial evidence (which is hardly "mountainous." )
I hope Kip runs again, and again. Until:
Kip's Last Race
(the 2040 West Martian Marathon)
Kip was the "Marathon Man";
He biked, some said, more than he ran;
They called him a cheat,
But beat a retreat
When he finished before he began.
cecropia wrote:
Seriously, I doubt any jury would buy the argument, irrespective of the circumstantial evidence (which is hardly "mountainous." )
Go and read the SOKLR site, there's a lot there
the right way to do it wrote:
although I appreciate the writer's effort (something is better than nothing), he or someone should do this....but I doubt Kip would do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7aJJ2xUlgQthis is not an attempt to criticize the writer, but it's not his writing style that matters, it's what he does and "doesn't" ask.
I've got to say that I'm a little disappointed knowing that Kip is not the most pathetic "runner" in the world. He is only the most pathetic "runner" in the USA. I think we should get Kip Litton and Rob Sloan to run head to head for the Cheater of the World title.
It's not denial, it's lying.
No one does what either of these runners have done and end up finishing the race where they did.
Walking at the back of the pack, many minutes behind the top guys and then somehow end up in front of them, with a different outfit...noooooooo, that's not circumstantial at all.
Don't feed them anymore. If they are not blind and can look at the pictures, then they are morons for not believing he cheated. I too start in the back and always like to change my outfit, even hat because I.....well.....I just like to.
And as for all the people that I pass along the way to get so far up front at the finish line, I just can't explain why not ONE of them ever sees me run by them at breakneck speed. It puzzles me too.
James Donovan wrote:
While I appreciate Mark Singer's effort in his attempt to capture Dr. Kip Litton's bizarre story, I feel that it falls quite short of what I expect from The New Yorker and of Singer. I've been a subscriber to The New Yorker for over a decade and am quite familiar with the quality of Singer's usual work and the publication's, in general.
What I love about most the magazine's articles is that there is a greater story told that transcends the subject. However, this article lacks that classic depth found in typical The New Yorker pieces. It reads closer to a story I would find in a daily. My opinion is that this curious tale, as told by Singer, is just a 'story,' but not quite an article I've grown to expect from this publication. Perhaps a bit more work is yet to be done.
I think that is a very good analysis.
SOmeone should really look into the funds Dr. Litton had been collecting on his website for Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. According to Wayne Kursh's blog (Delaware race director), they amounted to around $10,000 on Kip's website worldrecordrun.com, but Mark Singer's article states the Litton family has only donated $20 to CFF. Can someone look into this? What can we do about this?
lil Wayne Steady Mobbin wrote:
SOmeone should really look into the funds Dr. Litton had been collecting on his website for Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. According to Wayne Kursh's blog (Delaware race director), they amounted to around $10,000 on Kip's website worldrecordrun.com, but Mark Singer's article states the Litton family has only donated $20 to CFF. Can someone look into this? What can we do about this?
You can bow down before the worthiest of opponents, and bite your tongue as you reluctantly accept defeat.
lil Wayne Steady Mobbin wrote:
SOmeone should really look into the funds Dr. Litton had been collecting on his website for Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. According to Wayne Kursh's blog (Delaware race director), they amounted to around $10,000 on Kip's website worldrecordrun.com, but Mark Singer's article states the Litton family has only donated $20 to CFF. Can someone look into this? What can we do about this?
Why don't YOU look into it? Why does it have to be someone else?
I can't see how Wayne knew $10,000 had been donated to Kip's site. If that # were gleaned from the site itself, well, you'd be a fool to believe much of anything that appeared there. And, Kip sure isn't going to fess up. Let it go - we'll never know how much, if anything, was donated to Kip's cause. The $20 donated by Kip to CFF is accurate - a telling amount.
true....Wayne Kursh (Delaware RD who DQ'ed Kip at his race) has a blog where he says that Kip Litton's worldrecordrun.com site collected around $10,000, but it says in the New Yorker article that the Cystic Fibrosis foundation says the Littons have only contributed $20 over the years to CFF. WHat's the truth of the matter?
Because we have no Google screenshot of Kip's worldrecordrun site, it's hard to know what happened.
Do you think Kip perhaps put down $10,000 in contributions to entice more donations? (i.e. if Kip only had listed $20 in current donations, no one would've donated, but because he listed 10000 maybe he did it just to get more people to donate?)
Not a stone unturned... wrote:
true....Wayne Kursh (Delaware RD who DQ'ed Kip at his race) has a blog where he says that Kip Litton's worldrecordrun.com site collected around $10,000, but it says in the New Yorker article that the Cystic Fibrosis foundation says the Littons have only contributed $20 over the years to CFF. WHat's the truth of the matter?
Because we have no Google screenshot of Kip's worldrecordrun site, it's hard to know what happened.
Do you think Kip perhaps put down $10,000 in contributions to entice more donations? (i.e. if Kip only had listed $20 in current donations, no one would've donated, but because he listed 10000 maybe he did it just to get more people to donate?)
Don't you think that would be something a decent writer would investigate? I'm pretty disappointed with the article.
Someone here at letsrun did a background check and found Dr. Litton does have a valid DDS license in the state of Michigan and no criminal record - I believe when someone did a background check on him there was nothing except a ticket or something. But why did Wayne Kursh say $10000 was there on his website? The NewYorker article mentions that the executive director of CFF in Litton's chapter at the time (Cathy Zell) said she didn't know of any donations from the link on Litton's webpage that were actually going to CFF.
This is true.
who are they? wrote:
Don't you think that would be something a decent writer would investigate?
How do you know he didn't? If he found that there was nothing to back it up, then he should not mention it in the story.
Two things:
1) It's easy to look up Dr. Litton in the Michigan Licensing database:
2) I've picked up his domain name (http://worldrecordrun.com/) and have put the most interesting (to me, anyway) links there for folks to read. If anyone has any other suggestions of websites (not message boards) to add, please e-mail me at
Thanks.
Bill
For those of you who are actual grownups, you might consider the following:
Today, in response to an email from a reader who happens to be the father of a cystic fibrosis-afflicted child -- and who is properly outraged by Kip Litton's beneath-shameless exploitation of the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, in all of its particulars -- I sent a contribution to CFF for 50 times the total that the Litton family has donated since 2004.
If you'd care to follow suit, in whatever amount, here's the site:
https://www.cff.org/GetInvolved/ManyWaysToGive/Donate/index.cfm
The rest of you can continue to troll and posture.
p.s. If you send me your home address, I'll be happy to mail you official confirmation of my donation.
oh, really? wrote:
For those of you who are actual grownups, you might consider the following:
Today, in response to an email from a reader who happens to be the father of a cystic fibrosis-afflicted child -- and who is properly outraged by Kip Litton's beneath-shameless exploitation of the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, in all of its particulars -- I sent a contribution to CFF for 50 times the total that the Litton family has donated since 2004.
If you'd care to follow suit, in whatever amount, here's the site:
https://www.cff.org/GetInvolved/ManyWaysToGive/Donate/index.cfmThe rest of you can continue to troll and posture.
Mark_Singer@newyorker.comp.s. If you send me your home address, I'll be happy to mail you official confirmation of my donation.
Why don't you just post a link to a copy of it? Why do we need to send you our home address?
You're starting to creep me out.
You need to send the brojos an equal amount since they provided the forum from which you lifted 99% of the information in that article.
oh, really? wrote:
For those of you who are actual grownups, you might consider the following:
Today, in response to an email from a reader who happens to be the father of a cystic fibrosis-afflicted child -- and who is properly outraged by Kip Litton's beneath-shameless exploitation of the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, in all of its particulars -- I sent a contribution to CFF for 50 times the total that the Litton family has donated since 2004.
If you'd care to follow suit, in whatever amount, here's the site:
https://www.cff.org/GetInvolved/ManyWaysToGive/Donate/index.cfmThe rest of you can continue to troll and posture.
Mark_Singer@newyorker.comp.s. If you send me your home address, I'll be happy to mail you official confirmation of my donation.