RE: Cheating at Marathons

fb posting wrote:

Actually a number of people I know have posted these things directly on her wall. Straight up. She has promptly removed their comments and blocked them. At one point, she had to take her FB account down for a bit because of all the negative posts she was taking.

Not true.

I have heard that she will keep any accusations of cheating up on FB. In fact her attorney would love it!

I am sure the last thing PM wants is over 30-50 witnesses/runners/crew/people that have actually seen her cheat come forward for formal depositions. That would be a good time for sure. There is nothing illegal about reporting a cheater. Bring on the legal system. That would only further expose her. That is the last thing she would want. However, after denial, then next step is to fluff the feathers and throw out the lawsuit card. This is the typical pattern we see over and over with cheaters and liars.

Who had information on her 2013 cheating at Roccy 100? You know....when her 4th, 20 mile loop was as fast as the 17 hour overall finishers? Yes, as fast as the men and women who were throwing down 17 hour finish times!!!! Those are world class finish times for a 100-miler. I about pee'd in my pants laughing so hard when I heard about that sudden bust of energy and split irregularity.

Check out the 106th place finisher. Split #4. I would love to see PM even move that fast, even in a crew van.

http://www.tejastrails.com/docs/Rocky_splits_2013.html

Who has information on this race? I know there were people that were out there during this.

Klif's Notes:

1. Someone in SA noted time discrepancies in Parvaneh Moayedi's Iran marathon's history. Someone named Larry Macon had multiple times recorded in Idaho/Utah and Texas all on the same weekend. PM claimed she did her own race (With LM?) days before the actual event. (Did she have multiple entries in different states as well? The non-sense in this thread has caused me to forget.)

2. Two Badwater finishers (Darren and Thomas) have since posted to this thread under their real names stating that PM never passed either of them and that one of them (Thomas) witnessed her climbing into the crew van and driving down the road into lone pine.

3. Something a about a Captain Commander Doctor Terri.

4. Apparently PM has had accusations prior to this about fabricated times regarding her own races in which she is the RD.

5. There may or may not be a third BW eyewitness. I may have missed it in the Doctor Commander Captain trip.

6. A threesome occurred somewhere?

Who knew my town had such a strange frequent marathoner and ultra sub-culture.

Not a very smart cheater that particular loop. ooops. #superhuman

There was a charity fundraising marathon out there on the same course the weekend prior to Rocky 100 in 2012.

While waiting for my wife to finish I jogged up to the exit point from the woods. Within 5 minutes I watched 2 people walk out of the woods from behind the camping/primitive cabin area and step back onto the course about 200 yards from the finish line and start sprinting it in. I thought the first guy was walking back from his camp until he pulled off his long sleeve shirt and had a number pinned to the layer below. The second guy didn't make that much effort. Just took a short cut around the lake, through the camping sites and back onto the trail and finished with his arms high and pumping like he just won something. He didn't even attempt to be discrete.

Definitely doable in those thick east texas pineywoods.

Steve H and or PM mentioning her lawyer several times. Quite the bizarre photo on Marathon Maniac Larry's Facebook page celebrating his 255 th Guinness record marathon. Who is that in center of picture helping to hold the 255 sign? Is Larry Macon her lawyer? Nah...Probably slight conflict of interest.

sorry, meant to be a reply to lawsuit

106 24:49:18 Parvaneh Moayedi TX F 4:30:59 4:48:16 5:54:06 4:01:50 5:34:07

Just a quick look and I am sure you will not find a single runner on there with a split as negative for the fourth split as PM's. They pretty much are all positive for all five splits. There being some exceptional ones such as 4th place Seth Kelly at 3:08:12 3:15:14 3:26:20 3:37:03 3:21:43 but PM's outlandish improvement for the fourth split is fairly incriminating.

If she wanted to cheat at BW, why raise suspicion by "passing" other runners? I think that if she were going to cheat then she would make sure she remained in the same finishing position. Makes more sense. Why raise suspicion and allow the opportunity for other runners to bring up cheating questions. I think there is more to the story of these two guys alleging she never passed them. They don't pass the smell test. Not enough details in their stories.

Ummm... wow, how does someone "logically" explain that? Good sleuthing!I have never even heard of the lady until this thread, but this poster about nailed it. How does one come up with an honest and justifiable reason/explanation for a split like that? I've read enough, someone did something very wrong. Case closed.

fun at 2013 roccy 100 race wrote:

Who had information on her 2013 cheating at Roccy 100? You know....when her 4th, 20 mile loop was as fast as the 17 hour overall finishers? Yes, as fast as the men and women who were throwing down 17 hour finish times!!!! Those are world class finish times for a 100-miler. I about pee'd in my pants laughing so hard when I heard about that sudden bust of energy and split irregularity.

Check out the 106th place finisher. Split #4. I would love to see PM even move that fast, even in a crew van.

http://www.tejastrails.com/docs/Rocky_splits_2013.html

Who has information on this race? I know there were people that were out there during this.

Joyce Haroldson wrote:

If she wanted to cheat at BW, why raise suspicion by "passing" other runners? I think that if she were going to cheat then she would make sure she remained in the same finishing position. Makes more sense. Why raise suspicion and allow the opportunity for other runners to bring up cheating questions. I think there is more to the story of these two guys alleging she never passed them. They don't pass the smell test. Not enough details in their stories.

There's that illogical opinion, and then there are people with a brain that realize that cheaters, especially ones who have cheated in the past, always think they will get away with it. You don't pass the smell test.

TWO HOURS FASTER than her previous 20 loop?!?!?!?!?!? Look at the entire field of runners and their splits. Really look at them. Look at her "peers" and their splits. Look at how nearly everyone gets incrementally slower.....almost 100% of the entire field. If someone is faster one particular loop, it is barely faster, as in minutes. NOT TWO HOURS FASTER!!!!!! (and right up there with some of the fastest people in the sport of ultra-running).

I doubt anyone will now dispute claims of cheating by her. When is enough enough? Information like this is very telling. I can also appreciate hard data like this because nobody can claim this data his biased or part of the threesome or the bat crazyland this has now become. Hard data, combined with independent eyewitness accounts by random people across this country, have led me to believe an full investigation is necessary into her and her records.

#106

http://www.tejastrails.com/docs/Rocky_splits_2013.html

Joyce. Try these facts. Thomas Zaide (BW runner in 2014) actually saw her physically get into her crew vehicle at mile 102 and drive 19 miles towards the end of the course/Lone Pine, never to return or pass him. Done. Facts. Thank you.

So now that my interest is piqued:

2012 Rocky

109 4:08:56 8:42:04 13:06:04 20:43:34 25:19:55 Parvaneh Moayedi

4:34

4:24

7:37

4:36

Maybe she took a nap.

2011 Rocky

162 3:53:18 8:03:18 13:06:23 21:14:43 28:47:57 Parvaneh Moayedi

4:10

5:03

7:08

7:33

Maybe this thread should have discussion on how to Pace. Holy smokes

2011 Cactus Rose:

30 6:09:41 12:21:39 23:30:54 31:17:45 Parvaneh Moayedi

Following the first loop:

6:12

11:09

7:47

OK. Trying to get to page 25 here. (=:

Here are the numbers for the 2013 Roccy 100 for everyone that had a Split 3 time of 5:30 or greater and comparing it to their Split 4 time.

Remember now, PM had a 5:54/4:01 !!!!!!!

Here we go:

Split 3/Split 4

5:45/5:54

6:39/5:56

5:36/5:12

5:40/5:52

5:57/6:09

5:33/6:52

5:30/5:43

5:57/6:09

6:02/6:56

6:49/6:55

5:45/6:18

6:05/6:09

5:46/6:38

5:50/6:56

5:48/6:47

5:48/7:27

5:52/7:00

5:54/6:53

5:52/7:00

5:53/6:29

5:50/6:44

5:50/6:44

5:34/6:25

5:39/6:47

5:45/6:29

5:45/6:36

5:55/6:43

5:52/6:53

6:10/7:02

5:51/6:38

5:51/4:40

5:58/6:17

5:54/6:19

6:01/6:30

6:09/6:39

5:55/6:43

5:48/6:50

5:48/6:52

5:48/7:06

5:48/7:06

5:33/7:07

5:57/7:26

5:54/5:51

5:35/6:15

5:52/6:37

5:39/6:31

5:48/7:17

5:46/6:19

5:56/7:31

6:08/7:17

6:37/6:32

5:48/6:24

6:08/6:52

5:46/6:45

6:18/7:08

6:17/6:23

5:59/7:54

6:19/7:02

5:54/4:01 (PM)

Her 4:01 Split 4 time was the 14th fastest recorded on that loop out of 229 finishers. Yes, 14th!! People that ran Split 4 at this pace finished around 17-18 hours, which is flat out crazy fast for a 100 miler, as in best in the country.

I'm guessing that none of you have never taken a one or two hour break during a race, ran slower while it was hot or had your head lamp go out in the middle of the night 5 miles from the trail head.

People who circling well lit high school tracks and city trails for 48 hours don't have to worry about head lamps.

If you look at the data for people in her 23-25 hour peer group at Rocky you might notice at least one other slow runner that ran the last 2 loops faster. 16 runners ran negative splits on the 4th loop.

It was hot and humid the first day of the race and most 22-30 hour runners wore themselves out on the second loop.

Some people understand their plan, pace and limitations. They develop a strategy and stick with it. Other people find it hard to believe the mental strength that others possess.

Has anyone brought this to the attention of Roccy 100 RD?