Two points - Aregawi ran PR 7:21.28 that's only 3s+ behind Jakob so this record is breakable too.
Obviously this will improve his confidence, but in the last 20 years, no one has gotten within five seconds of the old record in a race that did not include Ingebrigtsen. It's one thing to have a WR run pull you to a massive PR. It's another thing to do it solo.
Sorry but Ingebrigsten didnt do it solo. Those flashlights and pacemakers are massive help. That's why these records cant be compared with the records broken during Olympics and World championships. Cheptegei broke both Bekele's records in a single season but only a fool will say that Cheptegei is even close to Bekele. Ingebrisgten is good but he has to get results at championships that really matter. Three back to back defeats at elite competitions to Whiteman, Kerr and Hocker really tarnishes both is aura of invincibility and his status as best ever.
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In any case, you have to train for at least 10 years to become the best in the world. Using peds to get better will not be sustainable in the long run. There are reasons why Jakob is extremely careful about the intensity in training.
An athlete doesn't have to train for 10 years to be the best in the world. It can happen in 2-3 years, as Elliott and Snell showed. Athletes today like Hull and Bell have shown they can put themselves in contention after only one year. Katir also did it in a year, by carving 8 secs off his 1500 pr to run 3:28. Doping definitely accelerates improvement. It can also keep an athlete in the sport longer, by reducing the effects of aging - hence athletes succeeding in their forties
Everyone is doping, that explains everything, blah blah blah.
We've heard it all before. Spouting the same rubbish at every single runner who improves.
Obviously this will improve his confidence, but in the last 20 years, no one has gotten within five seconds of the old record in a race that did not include Ingebrigtsen. It's one thing to have a WR run pull you to a massive PR. It's another thing to do it solo.
Sorry but Ingebrigsten didnt do it solo. Those flashlights and pacemakers are massive help. That's why these records cant be compared with the records broken during Olympics and World championships. Cheptegei broke both Bekele's records in a single season but only a fool will say that Cheptegei is even close to Bekele. Ingebrisgten is good but he has to get results at championships that really matter. Three back to back defeats at elite competitions to Whiteman, Kerr and Hocker really tarnishes both is aura of invincibility and his status as best ever.
Sorry has Jakob won an Olympic 1500 and 5km, or not? How many WC 5kms has he won?
The guy puts himself out there and doubling, he's not going to win everything.
Obviously this will improve his confidence, but in the last 20 years, no one has gotten within five seconds of the old record in a race that did not include Ingebrigtsen. It's one thing to have a WR run pull you to a massive PR. It's another thing to do it solo.
Sorry but Ingebrigsten didnt do it solo. Those flashlights and pacemakers are massive help. That's why these records cant be compared with the records broken during Olympics and World championships. Cheptegei broke both Bekele's records in a single season but only a fool will say that Cheptegei is even close to Bekele. Ingebrisgten is good but he has to get results at championships that really matter. Three back to back defeats at elite competitions to Whiteman, Kerr and Hocker really tarnishes both is aura of invincibility and his status as best ever.
Why would it tarnish his status as best ever? Can you name one 1500m runner that had a better resume at 23?
You give the example of one race. Why not the 2019 WC, where Cheruiyot destroyed Ingebrigtsen? Cheryuiot has lost form in recent years but came very close to beating him recently in Europe, in which Ingebrigtsen was only able to fend him off with a face-plant. But Cheruiyot is not the runner of 2019, so he is no longer of the same or similar level of ability as Ingebrigtsen.
But if you want to use the Paris final as an example, Ingebrigtsen was beaten by 3 runners who have more speed than he does. He can only beat such athletes if his endurance enables him to achieve an unbridgeable gap in the last 100m. That is what his freakish (read - likely doped) endurance can enable. But he was unable to do that in Paris.
Nope, I gave you the example of two races, Tokyo and Paris. Jakob was 18 at the 2019 world championships so that's a meaningless comparison. Timmy is in his prime running age and has run 3:28 and 1:45 this year, which still means his 800m time is better than Jakobs PB. Why did he finish 11th? Why did Kessler, Gourley and Laros all finish behind Jakob when they have better 800m PBs?
What happened to Hockers superior speed when Jakob put several seconds in front of him at Lausanne?
Hocker's superior speed put him in front of Jakob in the race that counted, the Olympic final, along with two other runners - all faster finishers than the workhorse.
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They are both 1500 runners. The event typically requires a given level of speed, as well as endurance. He doesn't show that speed, either in his mediocre efforts over the 800 or his relative lack of kick.
In the early '70's Jim Ryun speculated that a dramatic improvement of times in the event would require an athlete has world-class 400 speed they could build on. He didn't foresee that athletes far slower than him would find another route, by doping to the gills to increase their endurance. That is the sport now.
It is still nonsense to make so much of Jakob's 800m time run in one race 4 years ago, as if that was indicative of his "ceiling" of speed.
Maybe what Ryun said then (assuming he actually said it) made sense in the 1970s. A lot has happened in the sport since the 1970s, with respect to professionalism, training, track surfaces, clothes, and shoes.
There is no substantial reason to think that the fastest 1500m runners are "doping to the gills to increase their endurance", or that "doping to the gills" could "increase their endurance".
More here from the flat-earth society. Yes, he ran that 800 race 4 years ago - because he is too slow to race the event on a regular basis. It's quite a while, too, since he raced the 400.
An athlete doesn't have to train for 10 years to be the best in the world. It can happen in 2-3 years, as Elliott and Snell showed. Athletes today like Hull and Bell have shown they can put themselves in contention after only one year. Katir also did it in a year, by carving 8 secs off his 1500 pr to run 3:28. Doping definitely accelerates improvement. It can also keep an athlete in the sport longer, by reducing the effects of aging - hence athletes succeeding in their forties
Of course, it depends on what training foundation you have. But a well known rule of thumb is that you need 10-15 years of serious training to develop world-class endurance. Endurance athletes who succeed early, will most likely be far from his or her potential.
None of the runners you mention have started from scratch, and suddenly become among the best . Snell had a good foundation from other sports. He was clearly in pretty good shape when he decided to commit himself fully to running.
You clearly have little knowledge about training. How can you throw out allegations of doping against hard working honest athletes, which you have no clue is doped? Have you doped yourself and want to justify it? Or were you a failed athlete, who thought everyone else must be doped?
Nope, I gave you the example of two races, Tokyo and Paris. Jakob was 18 at the 2019 world championships so that's a meaningless comparison. Timmy is in his prime running age and has run 3:28 and 1:45 this year, which still means his 800m time is better than Jakobs PB. Why did he finish 11th? Why did Kessler, Gourley and Laros all finish behind Jakob when they have better 800m PBs?
What happened to Hockers superior speed when Jakob put several seconds in front of him at Lausanne?
Hocker's superior speed put him in front of Jakob in the race that counted, the Olympic final, along with two other runners - all faster finishers than the workhorse.
Yeah, his speed was superior when he was paced by Jakob for 1400 meters. Why was he several seconds behind Jakob when they both benefitted from pacing?
He already has surpassed them by some margin. Ingebrigtsen already is within the top 5 distance runners in history (without any doubt in top 10). Elliott and Snell can't be ranked that high.
Jakob within the top 5 distance runners in history ? You can't be counting a race over LESS than a mile , a DISTANCE race can you ? So that leaves Jakob with one Olympic and one World gold over 5000m . He is not even the best Scandanavian with that resume . Now he may end his career as the best ever , but not even close yet .
He trains at what he wants to be the best at. he cannot be the best at absolutely all distances. You understand this? He's an anaerobic freak. The training methods are created for longer distances. What he does in the 800 meters means nothing. He could certainly train more on speed, but it will come at the expense of other strengths
Flat earth? Thats you with youre dinosaur thinking. Go back to the 80s and 90s. You belong there
It is still nonsense to make so much of Jakob's 800m time run in one race 4 years ago, as if that was indicative of his "ceiling" of speed.
Maybe what Ryun said then (assuming he actually said it) made sense in the 1970s. A lot has happened in the sport since the 1970s, with respect to professionalism, training, track surfaces, clothes, and shoes.
There is no substantial reason to think that the fastest 1500m runners are "doping to the gills to increase their endurance", or that "doping to the gills" could "increase their endurance".
More here from the flat-earth society. Yes, he ran that 800 race 4 years ago - because he is too slow to race the event on a regular basis. It's quite a while, too, since he raced the 400.
That is not the point you made earlier. You said "That is his ceiling". His 800m is fast enough to run 3:26.73 for 1500m, and 5000m time and medals shows he is more an endurance runner type.
Part of what makes your point nonsense is that it is simply not important to focus so much on a time which is not in his range of events, and a time from 4 years ago, in a national memorial meet, is surely not representative of his speed "ceiling". Give him super spikes and set up a time trial on a new track -- do you really believe he won't run at least 1 second faster today, in top-800m shape? But he doesn't because it would be a waste of time and energy for someone who wants to set 10 world records.
No one argues 800m is his best event, and the world class 1500m is full of athletes with fast finishing sprints, so it is not a big surprise to anyone that he may not have the fastest finishing sprint among world class 1500m runners, especially in races where he is the rabbit for three laps. I think Jakob himself said that half-marathon might eventually be his best event.
It is still nonsense to make so much of Jakob's 800m time run in one race 4 years ago, as if that was indicative of his "ceiling" of speed.
Maybe what Ryun said then (assuming he actually said it) made sense in the 1970s. A lot has happened in the sport since the 1970s, with respect to professionalism, training, track surfaces, clothes, and shoes.
There is no substantial reason to think that the fastest 1500m runners are "doping to the gills to increase their endurance", or that "doping to the gills" could "increase their endurance".
More here from the flat-earth society. Yes, he ran that 800 race 4 years ago - because he is too slow to race the event on a regular basis. It's quite a while, too, since he raced the 400.
Yes. In contrast, Murray Halberg and Ron Clarke were some 800m forces with 1:51 speed. This speed enabled Halberg to finish 5ks ss fast as the best today.
Three back to back defeats at elite competitions to Whiteman, Kerr and Hocker really tarnishes both is aura of invincibility and his status as best ever.
Sorry has Jakob won an Olympic 1500 and 5km, or not? How many WC 5kms has he won?
The guy puts himself out there and doubling, he's not going to win everything.
Exactly, nobody is going to win everything. Winning or losing, Jakob is the best. If he is not in the race, there is no race. Everything revolves around Jacob these years, probably there is a reason why.
I have figured out Jakob. He keeps getting better to prove wrong everyone who says he has peaked and career is ending. That is his motive. He rages at the doubters and haters.
Our hate makes his hate pure. So screw him. 7:17 is it. Amazing for sure, but it has to be all downhill from here.
He trains at what he wants to be the best at. he cannot be the best at absolutely all distances. You understand this? He's an anaerobic freak. The training methods are created for longer distances. What he does in the 800 meters means nothing. He could certainly train more on speed, but it will come at the expense of other strengths
Flat earth? Thats you with youre dinosaur thinking. Go back to the 80s and 90s. You belong there
Take away his drugs,and he wouldnt be as much of an anaerobic freak. 3.34 or 3.35 would pull him up,and he wouldnt be world class at 5000. And he'd run about 7.35 in the 3000.Oh yeah,and he'd never be competitive in 10k races.
He trains at what he wants to be the best at. he cannot be the best at absolutely all distances. You understand this? He's an anaerobic freak. The training methods are created for longer distances. What he does in the 800 meters means nothing. He could certainly train more on speed, but it will come at the expense of other strengths
Flat earth? Thats you with youre dinosaur thinking. Go back to the 80s and 90s. You belong there
Take away his drugs,and he wouldnt be as much of an anaerobic freak. 3.34 or 3.35 would pull him up,and he wouldnt be world class at 5000. And he'd run about 7.35 in the 3000.Oh yeah,and he'd never be competitive in 10k races.
He hasn't yet run a super quick(for him)5000 meters,so we dont know just how fast he could be.Also depends on what you call world class. Do i believe he could run a sub 13 minutes,clean? no.
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