Because Kenyans are some of the biggest stars in the sport, and it is a training ground of athletes from all over. Without belief that there is state-sponsored doping, the powers-that-be would rather surge testing and try to catch cheaters as opposed to a highly contentious decision.
I still wonder what it means to "ban Kenya", and what rules by which authority would permit such a ban based solely on many athletes being banned.
In the case of Russia, it's true that many athletes were banned individually, and many still are being banned, when there was evidence supporting the ban. But beyond that, there was no such global ban on the Russian athletes, but rather it was the Russian Federation (ARAF), the Russian Anti-doping (RUSADA), and WADA's Moscow Lab, and individual actors like Valentin Balakhnichev, Alexei Melnikov, who were banned or declared WADA non-compliant for their proactive roles in doping athletes, or obstructing anti-doping. In many cases, Russian athletes could still compete under a neutral flag.
There are no such parallels with the Kenyan Athletic Federation (AK) or anti-doping (ADAK) where such a blanket nationwide ban would be appropriate.
I didn't promise anything. Nor have I deducted anything. Try "premises" and "deduce", Einstein.
Even from your false assumptions (rekrunner uninformed - what a nonsense) you cannot conclude what you want.
I don't like to make these threads about me, but I find it predictable that so many want to suggest and believe that I am the one who is vastly uninformed as an obvious way of avoiding a discussion on the merits that they are unable to contribute to. The thinking must be that if only I had all the information that others have, but are somehow unable to articulate or link to, all of the myths would then become real.
On the topic of my information, I won't say it is complete, but it does include an extensive variety of sources: dozens of studies on doping and resulting performance and several studies on altitude and performance; a dozen or so studies on anti-doping research on blood doping and ABP; a half dozen or so studies on prevalence estimation techniques; a few books and a collection of papers on exercise physiology which often include a chapter or discussion on doping; many detailed reports from the CAS, the AIU, WADA including reports from a WADA IC, a CIRC (UCI) report, USADA's Reasoned Decision; the IAAF's Ethics Commission; all time performance lists; WADA's annual testing reports and ADRV reports; a half dozen or dozen or so "investigative journalism" documentaries on doping; many many articles from newspapers and blogs; etc. Many of these sources were in response to links provided here -- so thanks to those posters for providing links -- and many were found from my own initiative. For example, recently, on a whim I searched and found and read 8 papers on the "history of doping in sport and the marathon".
It's hard for me to imagine that that extensive list would put me among a group of the "least informed". But if that is truly the case, I am always happy for anyone to point me to something substantial that I may have missed.
At least, nothing besides his endless tirades in every doping thread where he goes off topic as quickly as possible, to then attack other posters' logic and intellect while praising his own, and to ridicule all experts' expertise in exercise science and training and physiology, while praising his superior expertise in all these matters because of his 41 minute 10 km - when he was 28 - and engineering degree from Northwestern Iowa.
At least, nothing besides his endless tirades in every doping thread where he goes off topic as quickly as possible, to then attack other posters' logic and intellect while praising his own, and to ridicule all experts' expertise in exercise science and training and physiology, while praising his superior expertise in all these matters because of his 41 minute 10 km - when he was 28 - and engineering degree from Northwestern Iowa.
You do realise these posts you are responding to were about rekrunner? You accidentally hit the bull's-eye.
At least, nothing besides his endless tirades in every doping thread where he goes off topic as quickly as possible, to then attack other posters' logic and intellect while praising his own, and to ridicule all experts' expertise in exercise science and training and physiology, while praising his superior expertise in all these matters because of his 41 minute 10 km - when he was 28 - and engineering degree from Northwestern Iowa.
You do realise these posts you are responding to were about rekrunner? You accidentally hit the bull's-eye.
I'm sure ffff was awere he/she was responding to posts about rekrunner. But nice to see you feel it must have been adressed to you/Coevett.
Because Kenyans are some of the biggest stars in the sport, and it is a training ground of athletes from all over. Without belief that there is state-sponsored doping, the powers-that-be would rather surge testing and try to catch cheaters as opposed to a highly contentious decision.
I still wonder what it means to "ban Kenya", and what rules by which authority would permit such a ban based solely on many athletes being banned.
In the case of Russia, it's true that many athletes were banned individually, and many still are being banned, when there was evidence supporting the ban. But beyond that, there was no such global ban on the Russian athletes, but rather it was the Russian Federation (ARAF), the Russian Anti-doping (RUSADA), and WADA's Moscow Lab, and individual actors like Valentin Balakhnichev, Alexei Melnikov, who were banned or declared WADA non-compliant for their proactive roles in doping athletes, or obstructing anti-doping. In many cases, Russian athletes could still compete under a neutral flag.
There are no such parallels with the Kenyan Athletic Federation (AK) or anti-doping (ADAK) where such a blanket nationwide ban would be appropriate.
If WA doesn't want to/can't justify a ban meet and race directors can ban them.
I've said this before- I have a friend who traveled to 10k-1/2 mara road races mostly in the eastern part of the country.
He often finished out of the money or in a position of less money and Kenyans always beat him. I wonder now how many of them were doping.
If WA doesn't want to/can't justify a ban meet and race directors can ban them.
I've said this before- I have a friend who traveled to 10k-1/2 mara road races mostly in the eastern part of the country.
He often finished out of the money or in a position of less money and Kenyans always beat him. I wonder now how many of them were doping.
How much money was stolen from him?
Maybe meet directors and race directors can ban a country, but this doesn't explain why all the athletes from one country should be banned. Again, in Russia, the ARAF, the RUSADA, the WADA-approved Moscow Lab, and the individual athletes were banned for acts they committed. There are no parallels here that would justify banning the whole country, even if meet/race directors could do it.
Do you or your friend believe that he could have beaten any of the doped Kenyans if they were clean? Are these races subject to WADA, or other anti-doping controls?
At least, nothing besides his endless tirades in every doping thread where he goes off topic as quickly as possible, to then attack other posters' logic and intellect while praising his own, and to ridicule all experts' expertise in exercise science and training and physiology, while praising his superior expertise in all these matters because of his 41 minute 10 km - when he was 28 - and engineering degree from Northwestern Iowa.
I'm always entertained by the creative fan-fiction, all expressly designed to avoid providing facts, evidence, and observations that might promote some of the doping/performance mythology to reality.
Since there is so much interest in me: Most of my posts are responses to others already taking the thread off-topic -- sometimes I try to bring it back on track; I do not attack logic, but rather logical fallacies; I rarely attack posters' intellect, nor praise my own; I don't find "experts' expertise" interesting per se, and will listen to their opinions, and consider them with due weight, within the express/implied constraints and limitations of their context, and to the extent there is any factual basis for it, regardless of their expertise; in a post-mid life athletic resurgence, I'm proud to say I ran a few sub-40 10Ks all past the age of 40, but I was more an 800m/miler in my prime, and at my peak, qualifying once in a state meet; I don't have an engineering degree, but science degrees, a Bachelor of Science from a mid-western, nationally ranked American university, and a Master of Science from another nationally ranked American university (where I did not compete on the track, apart from a few road races and one intramural track event; I lost to Greta Waitz in one local race).
None of this off-topic diversion about me brings any of you any closer to providing facts, evidence, or observations to support many of the claims I find myself responding to.
You had some of your and your equally mad friends nonsensical posts deleted, Armstrong. Next time you should be more consistent and delete all of them (not many of your posts will remain).
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